Hybrids vs. Diesel shootout (Prius II vs Honda Civic iCDTi Turbo-diesel)

[bestmapman]

As of the time of this post 2 drivers are needed for the Prius II vs. Honda Civic iCDTi Turbo-diesel cross country run. first come first serve basis. Wayne Gerdes is the contact PM him (xcel) at cleanmpg.com. The details are here.

Needed: (2) driver/navigators for a Hybrids vs. Diesel shootout across the country! - CleanMPG Forums

If anyone is interested, you need to contact Wayne ASAP.

[Flying White Dutchman]

i looked in to it
and here the base model is a few 1000 euros more then the prius
and is rated 5,26/100km

so when the poster in this topic tells me 3,5
CleanMPG reviews the 2007 Honda Civic 2.2L iCDTi Turbo Diesel. - CleanMPG Forums

i do not believe it

[SyCo]

Originally Posted by Flying White Dutchman

i looked in to it
and here the base model is a few 1000 euros more then the prius
and is rated 5,26/100km

so when the poster in this topic tells me 3,5
CleanMPG reviews the 2007 Honda Civic 2.2L iCDTi Turbo Diesel. - CleanMPG Forums

i do not believe it

Well he drove 2840km with the car. So I would assume the collected data is true. But of course it is really impressive

Maybe after the shootout we'll see if it stays

[micheal]

Originally Posted by Flying White Dutchman

i looked in to it
and here the base model is a few 1000 euros more then the prius
and is rated 5,26/100km

so when the poster in this topic tells me 3,5
CleanMPG reviews the 2007 Honda Civic 2.2L iCDTi Turbo Diesel. - CleanMPG Forums

i do not believe it

I would definitely believe it. Wayne (xcel) is a serious hypermiler who gets insane mpg out of his vehicles. He was getting like 90 something with a manual Insight, high 40s with a regular Accord, and high 30s with a Ford Ranger. He was also one of hypermilers in the US Prius 100+ mpg 1000 mile tank back in 2006 (I think it was 2006).

If I recall correctly, he was able to get ~120 mpg with some of his circuits with the Prius. (Ironically enough, he was very vocal against the Prius until he had a chance to drive it and had a remarkable turnaround.) Anyway, his in his Prius I review he got 75 mpg (3.119 L) and I seem to recall his first Prius II drive was in the 80-90mpg range. Just an FYI.

[Flying White Dutchman]

Originally Posted by micheal

I would definitely believe it. Wayne (xcel) is a serious hypermiler who gets insane mpg out of his vehicles. He was getting like 90 something with a manual Insight, high 40s with a regular Accord, and high 30s with a Ford Ranger. He was also one of hypermilers in the US Prius 100+ mpg 1000 mile tank back in 2006 (I think it was 2006).

If I recall correctly, he was able to get ~120 mpg with some of his circuits with the Prius. (Ironically enough, he was very vocal against the Prius until he had a chance to drive it and had a remarkable turnaround.) Anyway, his in his Prius I review he got 75 mpg (3.119 L) and I seem to recall his first Prius II drive was in the 80-90mpg range. Just an FYI.

ok but here in the EU the civic ( 2.2 diesel new model ) is rated
5,26/100km agains 4,29 for the prius

[prius530]

The civic gasoline baseline and clean diesel are manual transmissions. This is not an apples to apples to comparison to the civic hybrid or the Prius which are automatic transmissions. Automatic transmission would decrease fuel economy 5-10% for the civic gas and diesel versions and the cost would be $500-$1000 more for this feature. Diesel is more expensive and less available than gasoline in the US last time I checked. Where is the savings?

[micheal]

Originally Posted by Flying White Dutchman

ok but here in the EU the civic ( 2.2 diesel new model ) is rated
5,26/100km agains 4,29 for the prius

Just to make sure I am clear, you are doubtful of the bigger gap between the Civic ratings and the Prius ratings? Not sure why that is, but I can think of a couple of reasons. One, not sure if the 4.29 is the Prius I or Prius II, but if it is th Prius II, I only found a number for the Prius I. Since it is my impression II is better than I on mpg, Wayne's numbers for II could be in the 2.9 (80 mpg) to 2.6 (80mpg) range (guessing from my memory of one of Wayne's post several years ago).

An additional reason could be the diesel being a manual and Wayne being able to employ more of his tricks. I am pretty sure he stated that he could get better mpg with the manual Insight over the CVT Insight. Regardless, the Prius still has better mpg compared to a vehicle that is a size smaller.

[diamondlarry]

Originally Posted by Flying White Dutchman

i looked in to it
and here the base model is a few 1000 euros more then the prius
and is rated 5,26/100km

so when the poster in this topic tells me 3,5
CleanMPG reviews the 2007 Honda Civic 2.2L iCDTi Turbo Diesel. - CleanMPG Forums

i do not believe it

Not believing it won't make it any less true. Where Xcel is concerned, all bets are off. He is the one that taught me how to get consistent 60+ mpg tanks on my '99 Saturn SL2 with a 5MT and, in the warmer weather of last year, a string of 80+ tanks with my '07 Prius.

[The Tramp]

Originally Posted by Flying White Dutchman

so when the poster in this topic tells me 3,5
CleanMPG reviews the 2007 Honda Civic 2.2L iCDTi Turbo Diesel. - CleanMPG Forums

i do not believe it

Right you are.

Average german drivers average a 6.37, with a low of 4,98 to a max of 10.7 l*100 km

Check it out for yourself! Overview: Honda - Civic

But if you drive it like a hypermiler, well, I too got 3,2 l*100 km!

[Flying White Dutchman]

Originally Posted by The Tramp

Right you are.

Average german drivers average a 6.37, with a low of 4,98 to a max of 10.7 l*100 km

Check it out for yourself! Overview: Honda - Civic

But if you drive it like a hypermiler, well, I too got 3,2 l*100 km!

thats because in germany there is no limit on the highway and the guy in this US civic dit not go past 96kmph

when i do that in my prius i can hypermile to