BYD Electric car 186 mile range on sale in 2 years

[DaveinOlyWA]

chinese, japanese, american... oh wait...forget american, it will be two late, $15,000 higher, and not as capable...

its laughable to discount the product because its chinese when most of the world discounts the product because its american especially when it comes to cars...

i dont care who makes it... if it works AND ITS AVAILABLE, i will buy it. i have a french BEV made by a company in Canada...

and the reason why is because THERE IS NO AMERICAN OPTION. and if we have to rely on gm... i be willing to bet that statement will be true for more than a little while.

[Rakimb17]

I like the idea of the BYD car. If it works out it forces american companies to mass product "real" EVs. In two years gas will be around $8 a gallon. Everyone will want an EV.

[patsparks]

And looking at the crash test videos it looks like a real car not one of them plastic tricycles or glorified golf carts. Although the Aptera would do me nicely if it hits the streets here.

[JimN]

Chinese factories produce cheap crap because that is what the customer specifies. If the customer specifies high quality, precision fit parts that is what will be supplied. The consequences for not meeting the standard range from a stay at a re-education camp to the worker & the family disappearing.

[zeeman]

After the second world war Japanese produced electronics that were considered crap by American and European standards of those days.

I remember when "made in Japan" sticker made people laugh.
then Japanese learned from the mistakes, improved quality and efficiency of their production lines and "crap" became lot better, actually good quality products. within another decade or so Japanese products became lot better, good enough to start changing the meaning of "made in Japan", so that those 3 words became representative of good quality.

Same thing happened with their cars. I remember early Japanese cars, tiny tin canes that i worked on occasionally as i worked on "super cool" and "prestigious" euro cars.
I hated those crude attempts of Japanese car makers to make copies of euro car.

But, i was to soon learn that Japanese cars were improving in quality and reliability while American and euro cars were not, or they were going down
in quality. (Like American compact cars did) Now we can see that tables have turned and that Toyota/Lexus and others are symbols of reliability and quality.


Would you rather have 100 % Japanese made car or 30% european car with rest of the parts from all over the world (Mexico, Indonesia, Russia...)
If you buy a new entry-level Mercedes, chances are that you will get around 25 % of German made parts, rest is made elsewhere.

Well, we can see that when it comes to cars all of the Japanese companies are doing good. We can also see that Korea is standing next in line, after the Japan.
Korean companies are doing lot better than they did few years back, they are making lot better quality cars that are on par or close to with American cars and they are catching up with Europeans. Not surprisingly, Koreans are already major leaders in electronics, just like Japan was in their time.

so, should we be suprised if Chinese start making good quality products within some 5 to 10 years? First electronics, then cars? or maybe both, due to their resources?


Me thinks this is what is going to happen -- China will become new Japan.

And with more than clear agenda to deindustrialize America and millons of the jobs that will be lost in automotive related fields -- i would not buy an American car. period. no matter how good it may be at this time.
Because, I can see the writing on the wall, that American auto factories will begin to close and/or move out their scaled down production elsewhere. China, Korea, Indonesia, India?
Who knows, but i am sure that same "we need to stay competitive" line will be used by paid whores that we call politicians.

therefore, I rather buy a Chinese car than American car.
At least pockets of China's car execs are not soaked with oil, unlike say GM execs pockets.

And, decades ago China was slated to become world's producer, so it shall be.after all, China is UN's model state.
total control, no human rights, cheap slave labor, no EPA regulations... yet billions of people willing to give their best for little extra money, little extra luxury, anything to better their lives.
what a bargain for globalists that is!

[JimN]

Without meaningful competition from the US Toyota has no incentive to sell the "next best thing". I suspect the Chinese electric car will encourage Toyota to make their electric car available sooner rather than later.

[DaveinOlyWA]

the statement that the Japanese produced "crap" is a bit misleading considering that what they were doing is producing cutting edge electronics using "crap" technology... it was not how they made the stuff, it was the stuff they made.

and like any introduction into "new" technology, growing pains will abound.

[EJFB1029]

Originally Posted by zeeman

After the second world war Japanese produced electronics that were considered crap by American and European standards of those days.

I remember when "made in Japan" sticker made people laugh.
then Japanese learned from the mistakes, improved quality and efficiency of their production lines and "crap" became lot better, actually good quality products. within another decade or so Japanese products became lot better, good enough to start changing the meaning of "made in Japan", so that those 3 words became representative of good quality.

Same thing happened with their cars. I remember early Japanese cars, tiny tin canes that i worked on occasionally as i worked on "super cool" and "prestigious" euro cars.
I hated those crude attempts of Japanese car makers to make copies of euro car.

But, i was to soon learn that Japanese cars were improving in quality and reliability while American and euro cars were not, or they were going down
in quality. (Like American compact cars did) Now we can see that tables have turned and that Toyota/Lexus and others are symbols of reliability and quality.


Would you rather have 100 % Japanese made car or 30% european car with rest of the parts from all over the world (Mexico, Indonesia, Russia...)
If you buy a new entry-level Mercedes, chances are that you will get around 25 % of German made parts, rest is made elsewhere.

Well, we can see that when it comes to cars all of the Japanese companies are doing good. We can also see that Korea is standing next in line, after the Japan.
Korean companies are doing lot better than they did few years back, they are making lot better quality cars that are on par or close to with American cars and they are catching up with Europeans. Not surprisingly, Koreans are already major leaders in electronics, just like Japan was in their time.

so, should we be suprised if Chinese start making good quality products within some 5 to 10 years? First electronics, then cars? or maybe both, due to their resources?


Me thinks this is what is going to happen -- China will become new Japan.

And with more than clear agenda to deindustrialize America and millons of the jobs that will be lost in automotive related fields -- i would not buy an American car. period. no matter how good it may be at this time.
Because, I can see the writing on the wall, that American auto factories will begin to close and/or move out their scaled down production elsewhere. China, Korea, Indonesia, India?
Who knows, but i am sure that same "we need to stay competitive" line will be used by paid whores that we call politicians.

therefore, I rather buy a Chinese car than American car.
At least pockets of China's car execs are not soaked with oil, unlike say GM execs pockets.

And, decades ago China was slated to become world's producer, so it shall be.after all, China is UN's model state.
total control, no human rights, cheap slave labor, no EPA regulations... yet billions of people willing to give their best for little extra money, little extra luxury, anything to better their lives.
what a bargain for globalists that is!

There is NO corporation in China that is not owned by the Chinese government, the only execs you are lining the pockets for are the Chinese government. The more we support China and the sending of jobs over there, the lower the standard of living the US will have, but I'm sure some Americans don't care about that, lets all lower our lifestyle to the level of a third world country, where only the rich have it well off.

[daniel]

It's always best to buy locally. But when the local companies decide to build crap, you either do without or you buy non-local. I hate gas. I won't burn it if I can avoid it. Zap sells an EV that works for me. No American company is presently building an EV that does the job as well, except Tesla, which charges $100,000 and has a year and a half waiting list. I'm not willing to do without a car. China is the only country willing to sell me what I need.

If the American companies want my business, let them build a car that meets my needs and is not crap. Zap and Tesla have shown, in very different ways, that it can be done. Don't blame China for being the only country willing to build what the world needs.

(But I never shop at Walmart. I don't think I've ever been inside a Walmart.)

[zeeman]

Originally Posted by DaveinOlyWA

the statement that the Japanese produced "crap" is a bit misleading considering that what they were doing is producing cutting edge electronics using "crap" technology... it was not how they made the stuff, it was the stuff they made.

and like any introduction into "new" technology, growing pains will abound.

if you read carefully you would see that i said:"Japanese produced electronics that were considered crap by American and European standards of those days."

that was the opinion of the day.
americans laughed at Japanese products, that is for sure, but now tables are turned