Ford faces battery shortage problem in '05 for Escape Hybrid

Tempus · 10-29-2004, 08:38 AM

http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=101092

DETROIT -- The fuel-sipping Ford Escape Hybrid SUV is likely to be in short supply for the 2005 model year.

Limited availability of nickel-metal hydride battery packs from supplier Sanyo will cap Escape Hybrid production at around 20,000 units in 2005, says Ford Division President Steve Lyons.

bruceha_2000 · 10-29-2004, 11:51 AM

I can see MSRP price gouging already! "You want one? There will only be 20,000 available all year. Pay $$$ now or you might not get one"

kjb516 · 10-29-2004, 12:31 PM

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I can see MSRP price gouging already!

As my wife’s small SUV is getting up there in years, I recently went on a search of local Ford dealers selling the Escape Hybrid. The only dealer I found in the Portland area with one in stock was charging $5,000 over Ford’s MSRP. Not surprisingly, this same dealer is also charging (and getting) $5,000 over Toyota’s MSRP for the Prius.

aarons12 · 10-29-2004, 01:22 PM

ah yes, america, the land of opportunity

Wolfman · 10-29-2004, 02:37 PM

Well, Fords stealerships are only giving me one more reason to wait untill Ford has had some time to prove that they didn't find a way to screw up their reverse engineered Toyota system.

DaveinOlyWA · 10-31-2004, 11:44 AM

Wolfman all these times i kept thinking you were making typos.

i see now that you knew exactly what you were doing all along.

my sister works at the ford dealership in town and they got their first escape a few weeks back. before she got a chance to look at it, it was sold to a lady who stopped by on chance (the dealership has not been taking advance orders for the vehicle because of unsure allotments or delivery dates) for $9,000 over MSRP!!

my sister and all her work buddies thought it was hilarious, i thought it was pathetic.

metamatic · 11-17-2004, 10:43 PM

Sheesh, when did 31mpg become "fuel-sipping"? Cars were routinely that economical back in the early 80s.

DaveG · 11-18-2004, 09:36 AM

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Well, Fords stealerships are only giving me one more reason to wait untill Ford has had some time to prove that they didn't find a way to screw up their reverse engineered Toyota system.[/b]

I was under the impression that Ford licensed the original THS from Toyota, rather than reverse engineering it. Apparently Toyota wouldn't license their new system used in the 04s and beyond, but the old one was fair game.

Dave

DaveinOlyWA · 11-18-2004, 11:34 AM

i think ford used some of the technology from Toyota as a basis for designing their own proprietary system. so not quite reverse engineering but close...

bruceha_2000 · 11-18-2004, 11:56 AM

I think the claim was that Ford designed their own, but it turned out similar enough to Toyota's that they figured better safe than sorry and licensed it. I doubt they would ever admit to reverse engineering. The amazing similarity was pure coincidence.

10-29-2004, 08:38 AM	#1
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10-29-2004, 11:51 AM	#2
bruceha_2000 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: South Burlington, VT Posts: 2,549 My Car: 2004 Prius Model: Package: #8 Thanks: 6 Thanked 17 Times in 16 Posts Friends: 1	I can see MSRP price gouging already! "You want one? There will only be 20,000 available all year. Pay $$$ now or you might not get one"

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aarons12 Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: long island, NY Posts: 705 My Car: Model: Package: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Friends: 0	ah yes, america, the land of opportunity

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Wolfman Moderator (on leave) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Paradise, TX Posts: 1,205 My Car: Model: Package: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Friends: 0	Well, Fords stealerships are only giving me one more reason to wait untill Ford has had some time to prove that they didn't find a way to screw up their reverse engineered Toyota system.

11-17-2004, 10:43 PM	#7
metamatic Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 104 My Car: Model: Package: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Friends: 0	Sheesh, when did 31mpg become "fuel-sipping"? Cars were routinely that economical back in the early 80s.

11-18-2004, 11:34 AM	#9
DaveinOlyWA 3rd Time was Solariffic!! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: South Puget Sound, WA Posts: 12,321 My Car: 2010 Prius Model: IV Package: Solar Roof Thanks: 23 Thanked 119 Times in 101 Posts Friends: 10	i think ford used some of the technology from Toyota as a basis for designing their own proprietary system. so not quite reverse engineering but close...

11-18-2004, 11:56 AM	#10
bruceha_2000 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: South Burlington, VT Posts: 2,549 My Car: 2004 Prius Model: Package: #8 Thanks: 6 Thanked 17 Times in 16 Posts Friends: 1	I think the claim was that Ford designed their own, but it turned out similar enough to Toyota's that they figured better safe than sorry and licensed it. I doubt they would ever admit to reverse engineering. The amazing similarity was pure coincidence.