If only a Hummer weighed as much as a Prius

[Jimmie84]

I've always lurked around this website and posted a bit and I see tons of negativity about what someone else does. Quite frankly, If you want to drive a Blazer, Tahoe, Suburban, And a Sequoia thats your choice. If you want to spend money on the fuel then so be it.

It's none of my business to bud into another persons business and say "Hey, You can't drive that car because I said so". That kind of attitude will not get you far in life. You can drive a prius because all you want is the best fuel mileage for you and thats ok. I don't hate people for driving what they drive. They drive what they want and what they can afford. That's what the USA is all about. FREEDOM!

The Hummer is a good vehicle if you like the offroad scene. it will get you places where a car can't.

I don't drive a full size truck or a Tahoe. I have a 99 S-10 4x4 and it's not a gas guzzler. I can get 19 mpg on it when it's only rated for 15 mpg and fits 2 people. I drive 30 miles a day and spend about $50 a week on gas. On top of that it's paid for so all I have is oil changes and any other maintenence. It's cheaper for me this way rather than having a loan all over again plus fuel costs and maintenence.

By the way I think the SUV name is BS. Call it what it is like we did 5 years ago.

I never see anybody on this site bashing Toyota for there trucks and Sequoia's but only bashing GM, Ford, And Never Dodge about they're vehicles.

[F8L]

Originally Posted by Jimmie84

I've always lurked around this website and posted a bit and I see tons of negativity about what someone else does. Quite frankly, If you want to drive a Blazer, Tahoe, Suburban, And a Sequoia thats your choice. If you want to spend money on the fuel then so be it.

It's none of my business to bud into another persons business and say "Hey, You can't drive that car because I said so". That kind of attitude will not get you far in life. You can drive a prius because all you want is the best fuel mileage for you and thats ok. I don't hate people for driving what they drive. They drive what they want and what they can afford. That's what the USA is all about. FREEDOM!

The Hummer is a good vehicle if you like the offroad scene. it will get you places where a car can't.

I don't drive a full size truck or a Tahoe. I have a 99 S-10 4x4 and it's not a gas guzzler. I can get 19 mpg on it when it's only rated for 15 mpg and fits 2 people. I drive 30 miles a day and spend about $50 a week on gas. On top of that it's paid for so all I have is oil changes and any other maintenence. It's cheaper for me this way rather than having a loan all over again plus fuel costs and maintenence.

By the way I think the SUV name is BS. Call it what it is like we did 5 years ago.

I never see anybody on this site bashing Toyota for there trucks and Sequoia's but only bashing GM, Ford, And Never Dodge about they're vehicles.

I totally understand your opinion and I actually felt the same. I learned more implications of such choices on other people and I've changed my opinion. I still reason that if a person wants to be wasteful they should be allowed but they should have to pay the FULL cost of such behavior, not just the price of fuel.

[briansabeans]

Originally Posted by Jimmie84

I've always lurked around this website and posted a bit and I see tons of negativity about what someone else does. Quite frankly, If you want to drive a Blazer, Tahoe, Suburban, And a Sequoia thats your choice. If you want to spend money on the fuel then so be it.

It's none of my business to bud into another persons business and say "Hey, You can't drive that car because I said so". That kind of attitude will not get you far in life. You can drive a prius because all you want is the best fuel mileage for you and thats ok. I don't hate people for driving what they drive. They drive what they want and what they can afford. That's what the USA is all about. FREEDOM!

You are mistaken. Most Prius owners aren't buying them just to save money on gas. We are trying to, in a small way, stop the climate crisis. I'm negative about someone owning a Hummer because their decision is going to help human beings die in the future. Until we look at this in the proper way, we aren't going to fix anything.

[Jimmie84]

You make it sound like one small and very minimal thing is gonna create a major global catastrophe. Well, You are very wrong. I and many people will agree with me that a more natural occurrence (Like a super volcano) could knock us into a nuclear thermal winter. More natural causes can kill us besides a some guy offroading in a Hummer.

Heck, A major strain of bacteria could kill all life as it stands, Maybe a god sized asteroid could do us in.

The earth has a way of taking care of itself. We are basically a pimple on it's surface.

[Storm]

Wow, that argument really makes me crazy. It's not a one-or-the-other thing here. Yes, any of those things might happen and we're all gonna die. But maybe they won't happen. Maybe global warming IS caused by humans. Then what.

We don't know either way for certain, and you're missing the biggest point here. Worst case scenario is that I'm wrong and we spend a lot of money on new technologies that we don't need to stop global warming. But they will help us save energy, eliminate dependance on foreign oil, save money over time and clean up pollution, which is guaranteed to save lives. Best case scenario is I'm right and we save the world. Sounds like a no-brainer to me.

[F8L]

Originally Posted by Jimmie84

You make it sound like one small and very minimal thing is gonna create a major global catastrophe. Well, You are very wrong. I and many people will agree with me that a more natural occurrence (Like a super volcano) could knock us into a nuclear thermal winter. More natural causes can kill us besides a some guy offroading in a Hummer.

Heck, A major strain of bacteria could kill all life as it stands, Maybe a god sized asteroid could do us in.

The earth has a way of taking care of itself. We are basically a pimple on it's surface.

Come now Jimmie, you know how well versed in the physical sciences I am and you are going to assume I don't know what part humans play in these natural systems? The people who would agree with you ARE NOT PEOPLE who are knowledgable in these systems. They may be in the majority but the majority of people are pretty ignorant of the sciences.

The piont here is, the earth will indeed take care of itself but only after it has become very inhospitable to humans and their delicate infrastructure AND whiped out a large number of species and reduced biodiversity. All this for what? So we can play stupid and pretend what we do has no effect? What a selfish viewpoint to harbor. I hope that is not how you truely feel.

As for the Hummer analogy, just remember that he is not alone. There are millions of others doing similar degradational things around the world. Now add in the millions of other degradational habits and you'll start to see why ecosystems are in decline. Try to expand your thinking to include more than just one action and one effect and you'll quickly realize everything is indeed connected.

[brad_rules_man]

Originally Posted by Jimmie84

You make it sound like one small and very minimal thing is gonna create a major global catastrophe. Well, You are very wrong. I and many people will agree with me that a more natural occurrence (Like a super volcano) could knock us into a nuclear thermal winter. More natural causes can kill us besides a some guy offroading in a Hummer.

Heck, A major strain of bacteria could kill all life as it stands, Maybe a god sized asteroid could do us in.

The earth has a way of taking care of itself. We are basically a pimple on it's surface.

There is a huge difference between offroading in a hummer, and idling in one at a stoplight downtown.

[jayman]

Originally Posted by Jimmie84

The earth has a way of taking care of itself. We are basically a pimple on it's surface.

I agree.

I propose we ban all hybrid vehicles, stop using hydrotreating at refineries to remove sulfur, ban reformulated gasoline, require everybody to cut the catalytic converter off their vehicle, and return to leaded gas

It sure is a waste of time and money to worry about pesky smog reduction standards that directly influence human mortality and morbidity

We should also pass a new law that lowers CAFE to 6.4 MPG. It's proven that importing in excess of 60% of your crude oil needs, massive deficit spending, and peak oil are all *good* for the economy

I also propose we ban vaccinations, primary and secondary wastewater treatment, and potable water treatment. It should be obvious that we should only "encourage" the healthiest specimens to live, no sense making it easier for the "substandard" specimens

I'll even set up a website with a catchy title that is sure to invoke an emotional, FUD based response: waaaadonttakemygasguzzlinredneckmobile dot com

[jayman]

Originally Posted by F8L

Come now Jimmie, you know how well versed in the physical sciences I am and you are going to assume I don't know what part humans play in these natural systems? The people who would agree with you ARE NOT PEOPLE who are knowledgable in these systems. They may be in the majority but the majority of people are pretty ignorant of the sciences.

If our society keeps regressing down the path we are now on, in a few more years folks like us will be burned at the stake for believing in science and social responsibility

[F8L]

Originally Posted by jayman

If our society keeps regressing down the path we are now on, in a few more years folks like us will be burned at the stake for believing in science and social responsibility

I would love to disagree with you my friend but since it (being burned at the stake for believing in science) has happened in the past I do not doubt that it could happen again.