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Old 07-10-2008, 09:44 AM   #31
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Sometimes it helps to take the statistical data Dr. Hogan provided and convert it into a practical example. To keep the math simple, I will take the percentage of blind to be ~0.1% of the population and a few other, back of the envelope, rounding short-cuts.

If we took 1,000 American pedestrians and put one every 100 yards along a road, it would stretch a little over 100 miles with only one blind person in the group. If the hybrid electric travels just under the highest speed their researcher has mentioned, say 25 mph, the HR 5734 mandated noise maker would annoy 999 of the pedestrians for about 30 seconds as it passes, the hybrid driver would put up with four hours and only one grateful blind person would hear it for 30 seconds. But the blind person would find only 15 seconds useful as the vehicle approaches and 15 seconds of noise masking another hybrid as it leaves.

Now when you do the sums, about 1.999 people will be hearing the HR 5734 noise maker over a four hour period just so one blind person can hear it for 15 useful and 15 useless seconds. Now I am an engineer and believe we can still give the blind their 15 useful seconds using the equipment already in our hybrid electrics by giving them a modified "panic" key fob.

In a very low power mode (self powered in fact,) the blind "panic" key fob would listen for our hybrid electric car and when it is within range, the "panic" fob will send out a series of transmissions announcing "blind person here." As the hybrid car receives these transmissions and notices them increasing in signal strength, it begins 'bleeping' the horn to let the driver, the blind person, and any by-standers know "blind person in the area of this approaching car." Now we have at least two people notified of a potential accident and one has eyes and control of the car to avoid a collision. But there is someone else besides the blind I want to know are in the area.

In 2006, 25 kids died, many pre-schoolers, in backover accidents by the bumpers and exhaust pipes of running engines. The driver could not tell that the kids were there because of the size of the kids and limited rear visibility. But if we replace the little LED flashers found in small kid sneakers with a kid "panic" key fob, the same electronics that lets us know there is a blind person in the area could let us know there is a small child near-by. Not perfect, it is head and shoulders above trying to peer through the rear steel doors and trunks. But something else happens when we have our cars establishing limited range, wireless networks.

We can use this same wireless network to exchange wheel RPM data, quite rapidly, 100 times per second. Tied to the accelerator and a brake actuator, two cars can drive as if they are one. In fact, three cars can drive as if they are one. Add to that a "brake light" signal, and they can now follow each other at much closer distances ... a high-speed convoy ... SAFE drafting.

If we add two antenna to the front bumper and one at the center of the rear, we can tell if the lead vehicle is wandering left or right. This can feed into our electronic steering and keep the following car "in the slot." Now the following car(s) continue their close drafting with very little steering inputs.

The front antenna can also look at approaching hybrids and the two can calculate if a collision is likely within a fraction of a second. They can then use horns, lights and brakes to minimize the collision risk. Automatic steering would not be practical since the vehicles can not see other risks. But they can give both drivers a strong "WATCH OUT," a computer managed, driver assistant.

As it stands today, HR 5734 is fatally flawed because it mandates only one solution, hybrid noise makers. It doesn't ask our best and brightest minds to come up with better solutions that are more effective and less costly. But the blind, limited to only one 'hammer', their ears, think the problem as just a 'nail', putting noise makers on hybrids. This is why we must have hybrid electric owners at the table.

The cut-off for NHTSA comments is August 1, 2008. By July 25, I will be sending my final comments on HR. 5734 to the NHTSA. A technical document, it incorporates not only my presentation that was denied at the meeting but it will also include other analysis of what was learned at the meeting. But in parallel, my petition to Congress will go with a cover letter to every representative whose voter signed the petition.

Last week, I sent a preliminary version of my petition letter and an initial set of 6 sheets gathered in one weekend to all co-sponsors of HR 5734 and every member of the sub-committee that will review the bill. But this was just a preliminary mailing. Hopefully, they will get an idea that maybe some of us don't like how HR 5734 is being railroaded through Congress.

Before August 1st, every representative of voters who sign this petition will get a letter that includes a count of their voters, names and addresses. I will try to send a "Thank you" postcard to each signer for their support with their representative's office address and phone number.

I can not tell if this will be enough to get a seat at the table on HR 5734 but it is all that I know to do. We either fix HR 5734 or kill it. But this I know for sure: your silence is assent.

Bob Wilson
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Old 07-10-2008, 11:27 AM   #32
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Lots of cars are quiet. So quiet that people try to start them when they're already running...embarassing.
excellent point!!!

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This is about as stupid as anything I have ever heard. Are people just trying to find ways of shooting down the Prius. lots of times anyway the engine is running when driving in traffic. I am not clear why a blind person is walking and crossing the street, I guess without a traffic light, and without out a seeing eye dog. How does a blind person cross the street anyway without assistance. They can,t see the walk and wait lights. I have also heard that people with hearing impairment has a problem with the prius, I guess they just walk accross the street without looking.

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Old 08-22-2008, 06:36 PM   #34
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The only threat hybrid cars poses are towards Hummers.
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Using this bill as precedent, we now should legislate that if you walk, you must whistle. Put bells on cats, and mandatory cards in spokes on bicycle wheels.

Well at least the blind will be pretty sure who ran over them.

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