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Friends: 3 | I have a feeling that this issue would be studied long and thoroughly before Congress would consider mandating noise makers. For starters, if they make the noise makers too loud ("too loud" could mean anything), then the hybrid automakers, environmental organizations, and others would claim hybrids are being discriminated against if they are louder than gasoline vehicles. So, then a study would have to be conducted, contrasting hybrid noise makers with gasoline vehicles. At that point, Congress would likely realize the difference is VERY small. And, above a given speed, road noise is louder than engine noise. By the time all of those studies are conducted, it may well be several years down the road. And, with the President's new initiative to put the environment towards the top of his agenda and the majority Democratic House to support back him, I doubt we really need to worry too much about this. |
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![]() This is a photo of a back-over accident from the Chidester report of April 2008, one of 25 kids killed in one year. The black SUV had an object detection system that was turned off when they drove over the kid and didn't stop until the body was in front. That is not a 'chalk' outline in front of the SUV. If there were any evidence of a hazard, I would agree with looking for solutions and not be limited to just noise generators. I would look at all solutions and test them to find out what works and to what degree. But that is not what is happening with this legislation: Quote:
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![]() This is how the Europeans test cars for their pedestrian risk. If we make all of our cars less hazardous to pedestrian injuries, we can take a serious reduction in deaths. There may be more injuries but live people can heal ... the dead rot and are mourned. Bob Wilson Last edited by bwilson4web; 01-30-2009 at 06:13 AM. | ||||
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Friends: 0 | Keep pedestrians on the sidewalk, and crosswalks? Or does that just make too much sense? Just because a hybrid running on electric is quiet, doesn't make it any more dangerous to peds than any other car on the road. My mother has a 2007 Lincoln Town Car, and guess what, it is VERY quiet, just as quiet if not more so than my Camry. The Camry puts out a distinct whine when on electric that I can hear inside the car. Sometimes I pick up my wife in front of the grocery store, and she sits on a bench reading a book and knows when I pull up because she can hear it! Instead of putting bells and whistles on cars, how about educating people to take care of themselves, and to be alert to their surroundings? It is unfortunate that sometimes children get injured or killed in stupid accidents like the one above, which just from the brief overview of it was purely the ignorance of the driver by not looking, and having the backup safety system turned off. Children do not have Situational Awareness, that is what parents are for, and lets face it children are stupid, they do stupid things, that is how they learn to avoid things and grow older and less stupid, and as parents we are supposed to teach them what we have learned from our being stupid, but unfortunately it isn't like that anymore. Instead when someone makes a mistake they tend to put blame elsewhere instead of taking the blame for their own actions, and this right here is proof of it. [/rant] |
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If a blind person is on a sidewalk, he is not going to get hit (under normal circumstances). If a blind person is in a crosswalk, then even if all vehicles are gasoline, the blind person still must trust that the drivers are going to stop. If "no one is around" and he is crossing in a crosswalk and he hears a car coming, most of what he will be hearing is the road noise. If a blind person is jaywalking, then he is breaking the law (but he will still hear the road noise). So, the only thing left are parking lots. Unless the person is a reckless driver, you can Not hear engine noise on a new gasoline vehicle (in a parking lot). The blind pedestrian must trust that the gasoline engine driver is not going to hit him. If the vehicle is moving across the parking lot at 20mph, you are going to hear road noise. I don't see how hybrids are any different than gasoline engines when it comes to noise. I definitely see your point when you say (paraphrased) "look at the statistics. There is no hazard." Last edited by Rybold; 01-31-2009 at 05:26 PM. | |
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Friends: 1 | Bob, I learned that one of my colleagues had a relative heading for DC in February to testify for the blind on this issue. I gave them copies of some of the comments and statistics you've posted on Priuschat. The exchange of ideas and information is important for informed decision making. |
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Friends: 0 | Congressmen Edolphus “Ed” Towns (D-N.Y.) and Cliff Stearns (R-Fla.) should be removed from office IMO, this is ridiculous and a waste of time and money. How about this, I'll play my music louder. Problem solved. |
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Friends: 20 | This is what I sent: Hi Dr. Griffith [my Congressman is a physician-rjw],This is what I mean by something from the heart. Feel free to borrow what works for you but be sure to tailor it for your representative. In particular, there are some representatives (if any of these are yours!) who need to be contacted: Rep. Timothy Walz [D-MN]Thanks, Bob Wilson Last edited by bwilson4web; 02-09-2009 at 11:30 AM. |
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