Toyota/Panasonic EV - Lithium Ion production in late 2009

[Eric Nothman]

Panasonic EV (owned 60% by Toyota) reconfirms manufacturing Lithium Ion battery for the Prius re-chargeable plug-in hybrid late in 2009.

TM Toyota unit to bring forward hybrid battery production to late 2009

[efusco]

Toyota, which plans to release the third-generation Prius hatchback from mid-May, envisions releasing a plug-in hybrid car in late 2009.

This is beginning to get very interesting...

[drees]

The facts:

Toyota will be releasing a PHEV Prius to fleet numbers in small volumes by the end of this year. I read somewhere that Europe will be getting about 250 of them.

Now that Panasonic will start manufacturing Lithium batteries at the end of this year, does that also mean that they will move more quickly from releasing the PHEV to regular customers?

Or are they simply planning on starting to use Lithium batteries instead of NiMH batteries as they have finally reached the point where the performance, reliability and price tips the scales in their favor?

Or both?

[efusco]

We know about the very limited number of fleet-only PHEVs, it's my understanding that those will be modified 2G prius, not the 2010.
But full fledged, scaled up, manufacture of Li suggests something bigger if you ask me. We may not see them installed right away, but it may well be sooner than 2012 as many are currently speculating.

[zenMachine]

It's important to have a broad perspective in the auto business - tunnel-vision has been one of the biggest criticism of the American carmakers. But seeing beyond the trees of economic meltdown to view the forest of the future industry is easier said than done. Toyota, however, is demonstrating its aplomb by moving forward with a plan to bring 150 plug-in hybrids to Europe this year.

Another 350 of the cars will follow in 2010, as the company ramps up for production of a pure lithium-ion battery electric vehicle by 2012. "We have to look beyond the current financial crisis. We have to focus on r&d for today and the future," Toyota Europe CEO Tadashi Aarashima told Automotive News in Geneva.

Diesel is already a very popular fuel in Europe, and it has shown it can offer similar fuel efficiency figures to hybrids - in some cases, even better. But Toyota is not focusing on diesel in Europe or elsewhere, seeing hybrid tech as the way forward.

Emissions rules, fuel pricing and technology cost are all pointing toward hybrid success in the future, says Arashima.

The plug-in Prius being tested in the UK and elsewhere are averaging 65mpg in the combined cycle. That's a 30% improvement over the standard 2010 Prius, recently certified as the most efficient hybrid in America. On the other hand, some are arguing plug-in hybrids may be too expensive to justify, though Toyota's tack seems to be headed in the right direction.

The 150 plug-ins headed to Europe will be complemented by another 150 already planned for the U.S. in 2009.

Toyota preps 150 plug-in Prius hybrids for Europe - [Toyota Prius plug-in hybrid] - MotorAuthority - Car news, reviews, spy shots

[Nevillewc]

The press release on 2010 models and options had models II to V
That would imply there is a model 1 that will be released later.
Could Prius model 1 be a plug in using a smaller lighter body?

[efusco]

Originally Posted by Nevillewc

The press release on 2010 models and options had models II to V
That would imply there is a model 1 that will be released later.
Could Prius model 1 be a plug in using a smaller lighter body?

Very unlikely based upon how Toyota has done things in the past.

[usbseawolf2000]

Evan,

Those plug-ins are indeed the next generation 2010 Prius Plug-in, per Irv Miller.

Although mileage data has been collected during demonstration events, it varies too widely to offer any indication of what to expect consistently. Most importantly, these vehicles are not representative of the lithium-ion battery-powered next-generation Prius PHVs that will be delivered to lease-fleet customers later this year.

TOYOTA OPEN ROAD BLOG: Irv?s Sheet: Prius Plug-In MPG Not Yet Available

[efusco]

Originally Posted by usbseawolf2000

Evan,

Those plug-ins are indeed the next generation 2010 Prius Plug-in, per Irv Miller.



TOYOTA OPEN ROAD BLOG: Irv?s Sheet: Prius Plug-In MPG Not Yet Available

Ah, thanks for that clarification.

[joe1347]

Toyota - unlike the idiots managing GM - understands that incremental product improvements win in the long run. Possibly GM will be able to hit a home run with the Volt and be able to deliver an affordable PHEV40 - in volume - before ever manufacturing a high mileage hybrid (i.e., a Prius competitor). But, more than likely, the Volt will be very expensive and GM will continue to beg the US Government for handouts to help even sell a few Volts. Meanwhile, Toyota will continue to it's march toward complete dominance and deliver - in volume - a low cost short range plug-in Prius as the initial product. Possibly only a PHEV10 and then after making a short-range plug-in hybrid - gradually increase the range as battery tech improves and economies of scale for high (battery) production volume kick in. Even better for Toyota, news of drivers that bought those 'lousy' first gen PHEV10 Prius's who get 80mpg will gradually spread and help build (massive) demand as well as acceptance. Meanwhile, GM will be still be promising to deliver a Volt if they only can get another $25 Billion handout.