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www.regulations.gov - search: NHTSA-2008-0108-0020 Recent information: search: NHTSA-2008-0108-0027.1 This is the NHTSA "plan" submitted June 19, 2009 but according to the web sites, comments were due August 1, 2008. Kinda hard to comment on a plan submitted in the future but this plan has more problems. More about this later. Understand that I'm not sharing the most recent information because we can expect the advocates to do 'opposition research.' There is no advantage to telegraphing the facts and data that refute their claims until the last minute but we have enough already. Use what we've got. This NFB march looks to kick off their legislative effort to pass H.R. 734 and S. 841 as Congress resumes July 6 for the Senate and July 7 for the House. This weekend is your best opportunity to meet your Congress critters during the July holiday break. Unlike any other, this is the time to meet or attend any 'town hall' or other events during the July recess. Now if your congress critter is on this list, they have already signed up as a 'co-sponsor.' That means you'll need to use skill but don't ignore your own representatives: Senate Members: Sen. Benjamin Cardin [D-MD] Sen. Edward Kennedy [D-MA] Sen. Orrin Hatch [R-UT] Sen. Richard Durbin [D-IL] Sen. Barbara Mikulski [D-MD] Sen. Arlen Specter [D-PA] Sen. Evan Bayh [D-IN] House Members: AK Rep. Donald Young [R-AK] AR Rep. John Boozman [R-AR3] AR Rep. Robert Berry [D-AR1] AZ Rep. Raul Grijalva [D-AZ7] AZ Rep. Edward Pastor [D-AZ4] CA Rep. Bob Filner [D-CA51] CA Rep. Adam Schiff [D-CA29] CA Rep. Ellen Tauscher [D-CA10] CA Rep. Linda Sánchez [D-CA39] CA Rep. Doris Matsui [D-CA5] CA Rep. Fortney Stark [D-CA13] CA Rep. Dana Rohrabacher [R-CA46] CA Rep. Jane Harman [D-CA36] CA Rep. Barbara Lee [D-CA9] CA Rep. Maxine Waters [D-CA35] CA Rep. Howard Berman [D-CA28] CA Rep. Lois Capps [D-CA23] CT Rep. Joe Courtney [D-CT2] DC Del. Eleanor Norton [D-DC] FL Rep. 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Unfortunately, redistricting gave me this congresscritter, whose seat is such a safe Democratic seat that he doesn't even campaign, doesn't send out any newsletters, and has no town hall events. I am more likely to meet him in a Third World photo op than in his own district. The only reason the Republicans even file in this district is to prevent the Libertarians and Greens from gaining a second-place finish. [/rant] | |
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Friends: 0 | Would be cheaper to 'bell the blind.' They wear a device that senses approaching vehicle. Maybe it warns not only the wearer but the approaching driver somehow. I respect the disabled, but we should not rush to the worst, most expensive possible answer to a problem that does not seem to really exist. |
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Friends: 20 | Hi, Ordinarily I would edit my last posting to include more recent data. However, these don't really fit but provide additional background material: AFP: Japan may add noise to quiet hybrid cars for safety Quote:
Then there is bit from our friends down-under: Pedestrian safety motion gets nod - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) Quote:
Man struck and killed in Tonawanda | WIVB.com The specific location can be found using Google Earth at: 43 00' 04.57" N 78 50' 10.71" WWhat is interesting is the police officer cited the light-and-dark shadows under the overpass and made reference to "electronic devices." This is also a description of a cell phone BUT we don't know for sure. Regardless, the photo shows the Prius had just left the four-way, stop sign intersection. The problem is older pedestrians often suffer the infirmaties of age including poor eye sight and hearing. We do not know if the pedestrian had such problems. Regardless, rest assured the 'honorable competition' will blame the Prius. So have the facts and data ready. http://www.speakupwny.com/forums/sho...d.php?p=511480 Quote:
One last news article that our 'honorable competition' will never address but should be challenged: http://news.cincinnati.com/article/2...+killed+by+car Quote:
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Friends: 20 | Finally finished my first cut on Prius fatal accidents per 100 million miles. The reason this is important is the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration reports the annual fatality rate per 100 million miles: ![]() Now I need to refine the numbers but these are close enough to share. One problem I have to rework is fatal accidents are different from fatalities. A preliminary look shows there were 111 fatal accidents and 126 fatalities. Still, these rough numbers reveal:
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Friends: 0 | Well the desire to "bell" the hybrid is really a desire to dislike the Prius which is a Japanese car from a "Japanese" company that is doing well considering considering the economy. That's why we get stories like how great the Ford Fusion hybrid is the best things since sliced bread. The Ford is American. Given all the buy American fury, a hybrid made in the USA (with technology licensed from Toyota) that doesn't completely suck like the Malibooboo hybrid should be all the protectionist rage... right? No one is saying we should bell the Fusion.... It's protectionism combined with good old American exploitation of ignorance. The truth is blind people are very careful. They generally don't play in traffic. But what's next, bell the bicycle? What about those awful segways? What about other blind people? They're usually very quiet... Seriously, it's all about resentment... which North America has much too much of, of late... Resentment that is taking advantage of ignorance. Just today in a CBC report in Canada about Ontario's promise to subsidize electric cars and plug in hybrids, the reporter asked matter of factly: Would people choose to pay more for a car with less range that travels slower?... This is in a report that mentions the Tesla sports car... That's either stupidity, extreme ignorance, or more likely unwanted social commentary. Sad, when you think about it... |
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Friends: 1 | Ford's hybrid technology is it's own. It just happened to be very similar to Toyota and developed at the same time so they cross-licensed patents to avoid litigation. Ford doesn't (and didn't) pay anything to Toyota to build their hybrids. |
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From what I can tell of our honorable competition:
I like this NY Times article because the reporter didn't work from a press release but called up and interviewed people. He visited PriusChat and picked up comments from here and others. Although I didn't see his email requesting an interview until too late, his report pretty well matches my view of what is going on. The Prius gets the attention because the other Toyota hybrids, Ford, Honda, GM mild and two-mode hybrids have too few sales to be targets. With over 2/3ds of the sales and the most visible presence, Toyota is the target and there are automotive opportunist. Lotus engineering seems to lead the pack but the Euro makers are not above seeing an opportunity to whack a successful competitor. I have to admit a certain amount of amusement at the Euro diesel advocates who have via "Top Gear" joined the 'hybrids are dangerous' chorus. On one hand, they want us to forget the "diesel knock" but on the other, they tout diesel "vroom vroom" in ads. Irony is lost on them. But we have one powerful asset, the accident data. Thanks to Christopher Hogan's analysis and the continued trends in accident data, our Prius turns out to be no more dangerous than any other vehicle. There is no smoking gun in the accident data and the trend seems to be getting even better as the number of fleet miles continues to grow. The old NHTSA claim of 'we don't have enough data' is being solved as the clock continues to tick. Time and the facts and data are not on the side of the "bell the hybrid" advocates. Bob Wilson Last edited by bwilson4web; 07-16-2009 at 04:34 AM. | |
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Much of the ignorance regarding electric cars, hybrids and PHEV's are based on old stereotypes or old wives tales... I don't think the blind play in traffic and they certainly don't wander in parking lots. And I don't know of any Prius drivers that like going into stealth mode and drive along the sidewalks... But cyclist on sidewalk... hmmm. Maybe we should have mandatory clackers on bicycles... Personally I would feel a lot safer if shopping carts have dead man brakes... But I am not convinced that some of this bell the hybrid isn't the same buy American sentiment... | |
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