Clean diesel vs Hybrid research paper complete with sources of info

[05_psd_driver]

Originally Posted by F8L

If you truely wanted to be taken seriously you should not have posted on your diesel forum and urged 12 of your buddies to register on this site and play their little worldview games IMO. You went about the whole thing wrong.

Originally Posted by F8L

I didn't bother checking. I knew who you guys where the moment I read your first thread. I've been on more than a fair share of racing and performance sites for over a decade. This ain't my first rodeo and you're not the first group of "enthusiasts" to get all jazzed up and go to another website to stir shit. You should see the Mustang and LS1/LT1 boys go at it. I'll leave it at that as I have no interest in arguing intent. It is obvious enough.

If YOU want to be taken seriously, you should look into things before call somebody out (isn;t that what you have been screaming this whole time)

[F8L]

Originally Posted by 05_psd_driver

If YOU want to be taken seriously, you should look into things before call somebody out (isn;t that what you have been screaming this whole time)

Nah, I find it more fun to go with my gut and call you out first and see where the cards fall.

Now do you have something useful to contribute to this forum or are you going to sit here and for your buddies?

[bighouse]

They do love to thank each other and stroke one another a lot, do't they???

[Viking Heavy Diesel]

I did post it originally yesterday but did not post this one.

I am not much for stroking others.

[john1701a]

The most obvious problem with the report is the use of outdated Prius information. The tax credit is long gone and the new model is clearly more efficient. Some of us never had any of those mentioned privledges either.

Refering to "green" as meeting the 50-state criteria is disingenous. That's the dirtiest a vehicle is allowed to be. Much cleaner are the SULEV and PZEV ratings, which the traditional diesel vehicles don't deliver. In fact, biodiesel actually increases NOx emissions.

As for comparing the base price of Jetta TDI to the Touring model of Prius along with focusing on highway MPG rather than combined, that was just plain wrong.

I can't wait for winter to set in. It's very exciting collecting real-world data firsthand, seeing the efficiency improvements the 2010 Prius provides. Of course, the 47.7 MPG lifetime average from my Iconic Prius was hardly anything to complain about here in Minnesota... nor something the non-hybrid diesels could compete with.
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[Celtic Blue]

Originally Posted by Viking Heavy Diesel

I am so glad you were paying attention enough to notice that I didnt even post it and was told later by them.

Not true. Those of us who were here last night know you are lying and you are stroking all your buddies.

[bwilson4web]

Originally Posted by quadracer1014

. . .
July 10, 2009
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This report is out of date by 16 months:

• The 2009 Jetta TDI compared to 2010 Prius
• 40.4 (16 users,) 40.3 MPG (26 users) < 51.0 MPG (57 users)
• $1,235, $1,273 annual fuel costs > $801 Prius fuel costs

• compact car, Jetta TDI sedan < middle size car, the Prius
• 107 ft.{3}, Jetta TDI sedan < 116 ft.{3}, the Prius (thanks Chris Hogan)

So with the Prius compared to the Jetta TDI, we get 8% more car and pay ~35% less for fuel, about one car payment per year ... every year. I don't have to pay income tax on the money not spent for fuel, ~28% additional income tax penalty.

I do sometimes recommend the Jetta TDI:

To my competition.

Bob Wilson

[bighouse]

Guess he's gonna have to rewrite his paper if he's trying to recommend a greener car...oh wait- that's not what he's trying to do!

[F8L]

Since we are comparing emissions and costs on the Prius and VW......

I added in a 2000 Jetta TDi because someone said buying a used $3,000 TDi would be greener. Well depends on how much you plan on driving the dirty beast....

http://www.driveclean.ca.gov/searchr...A+TDI&x=57&y=9

[Zythryn]

Originally Posted by Viking Heavy Diesel

I did post it originally yesterday but did not post this one.

I am not much for stroking others.

Ryan, if you are truly interested in accuracty of the data you used in part to form your opinion you may do better to simply ignore the insulting posts.
By simply responding to the posts that have shown information you used as resources to be incorrect we can get a much more productive discussion going?

For example, this response:

Originally Posted by cwerdna

You're making assumptions/implying that raw materials and parts in non-hybrids and/or North American made vehicles (destined for NA) don't go through long circuitous routes.

This basically brings into question why the prius's use of 30 pounds of nickle for the battery would be a bad thing compared to most other vehicles.

Jay's responses have been very well laid out and detailed. I would encourage you to consider his points. But if you only want to focus on one at a time, Cwerdna's above is a good one to start with.

Did you consider how much nickle is used in the Jetta TDI, or other vehicles and where that nickle comes from and is processed?