When are Chinese EV cars coming? See crash test of Chinese car.

Aegison · 01-25-2010, 10:02 AM

A few weeks ago, there was a lively debate over when we'll see Chinese EV in the U.S. I didn't think the Chinese govt would permit its auto companies to risk their reputations on cars they weren't sure would pass crash and emissions tests.

I'll admit that I'm the first to be surprised by this crash test result. Though it's not a hybrid or EV, even as a petrol-burner it has to be an indication of where the Chinese are on crash test design. In a sense, regardless of brand, this vehicle is somewhat a forbearer of any Chinese vehicle or EV which does come to the U.S.

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hill · 01-25-2010, 12:42 PM

Maybe that's why GM has had such colassal problems with quality, as they outsource some of their manufacturing to China. It kind of defeats the purpose of outsourcing when it kills one's quality reputation.

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JimN · 01-25-2010, 09:02 PM

The video said the Chinese are 20 or 30 years behind European safety standards. How long do you believe they will stay 20 to 30 years behind?

cwerdna · 01-25-2010, 09:28 PM

Yep. Here's another catastrophic Chinese car crash test that was floating around years ago.

YouTube - Chinese 4WD crash test

alam99 · 01-26-2010, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimN

The video said the Chinese are 20 or 30 years behind European safety standards. How long do you believe they will stay 20 to 30 years behind?

A possible comparison can be done with Hyundai's history. I looked up their crash ratings for 1995, 2000, 2003, and 2010 for passenger vehicles. They've made some great strides in the last 15 years. I've attached the screen captures showing the ratings from safercar.gov.

burritos · 01-26-2010, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cwerdna

Yep. Here's another catastrophic Chinese car crash test that was floating around years ago.
YouTube - Chinese 4WD crash test

That can't be any worse than a motorcycle crash and those are allowed in the U.S. I know that a motorcycle isn't the same as a car, but if you're free to choose between the two, then you should be free to choose between a chinese made car and an american car.

fuzzy1 · 01-27-2010, 12:18 AM

I wouldn't lump together everything made in China any more than I would for everything made in America. In general, they can display the same range of product quality, from very high to dangerously low, that we can. Or that we would, if we still had enough factories.

Do we know which market these cars were built for? Certainly not for today's North American requirements, but they are a great improvement over the Cherry Amulet crash video circulated a few years ago.

a_gray_prius · 01-27-2010, 02:08 AM

I'm always surprised by the apparent excitement with which some individuals present the poor quality of some Chinese products. I really hate the "their team is bad!" pseudo-propagandist mentality that sometimes has an undercurrent of racism attached to it. A poorly engineered car is just that, a poorly engineered car from a certain manufacturer which is unfortunate regardless of the ethnicity of the ownership and design.

The same crash performance has been observed in American products - one example doesn't make all American cars bad:

YouTube - Crash Test Ford F150

hill · 01-27-2010, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by a_gray_prius

I'm always surprised by the apparent excitement with which some individuals present the poor quality of some Chinese products. I really hate the "their team is bad!" pseudo-propagandist mentality that sometimes has an undercurrent of racism attached to it. A poorly engineered car is just that, a poorly engineered car from a certain manufacturer which is unfortunate regardless of the ethnicity of the ownership and design.

The same crash performance has been observed in American products - one example doesn't make all American cars bad:
YouTube - Crash Test Ford F150

I never considered chinese quality issues to be linked to racist thought. I considered their issues with quality to be linked to learned behavior ... so that if you learn it's ok to do the worst you can get away with, than all the better. Isn't that why the chinese government avoids litigation for stealing intel products? microsoft products? GM design products? Disney products?

racism has nothing to do with it. Integrity has more to do with it.

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