Have buyers been paying dealer add-on fees?

frankie_delaware · 12-22-2005, 01:14 AM

A quote for a 2006 I received included these add-on fees:

TDA: $242.00
(Toyota Dealer Advertising Fee)
Gasoline: $10.00
Dealer Holdback: $434.00
(Rebate from factory to dealer after the sale)
Whsl. Financial Reserve: $217.00
(Basically dealer prep)

These have been discussed in other threads. However, what I would like to know if 2006 buyers, especially in the So. Cal. area, have been having to pay these fees. And, if so, if these are typical values.

Due to the high demand, and the fact that the dealers know we are tickled to death to get delivery at MSRP, I wonder if they are at all negotiable.

Just getting my ducks in a row for Jan 1, 2006!!

jwe8f · 12-22-2005, 01:31 AM

I can tell you I didn't pay any of that on my MSRP 2005 prius, but I know you are asking about the 2006 models.

As for dealer prep, did they change this portion of the sticker for '06, or does the different wording allow them to charge for it?

windstrings · 12-22-2005, 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by frankie_delaware@Dec 21 2005, 11:14 PM
A quote for a 2006 I received included these add-on fees:

TDA: $242.00
(Toyota Dealer Advertising Fee)
Gasoline: $10.00
Dealer Holdback: $434.00
(Rebate from factory to dealer after the sale)
Whsl. Financial Reserve: $217.00
(Basically dealer prep)

These have been discussed in other threads. However, what I would like to know if 2006 buyers, especially in the So. Cal. area, have been having to pay these fees. And, if so, if these are typical values.

Due to the high demand, and the fact that the dealers know we are tickled to death to get delivery at MSRP, I wonder if they are at all negotiable.

Just getting my ducks in a row for Jan 1, 2006!!

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flynz4 · 12-22-2005, 03:30 AM

My dealer charged a $295 "etched glass" security add-on that is worth $0 in my opinion. I paid $500 under MSRP so I effectively got the Prius for $200 under MSRP. There was a $50 "Title and Registration Processing Fee"... but I think that is standard for most (if not all) new cars in this area.

For my 2nd Prius... the same dealer refused to go under MSRP... but also agreed to not add any "etch glass" or anything else. Hence... it will be $200 more than the one I bought this week. I will take delivery of that one after Jan 1st.

It sure seems strange paying full MSRP for a car. I suspect by this time next year... the supply will catch up and they will be available discounted like other cars... unless fuel prices go crazy again.

/Jim

Jack 06 · 12-22-2005, 05:02 AM

That's $903 worth of insult. Don't pay a penny of it.

Know what the "holdback" is? It's part of the dealer's normal PROFIT, and therefore is already included in MSRP. So this EXTRA holdback is really a markup.

I believe it says on the Toyota website that buyers get a full tank of gas. If they're charging $10 (@, say, $2/gal), they're charging you for 42% of the tankful.

And yes, it's all negotiable. But I'd go elsewhere.

driverx · 12-22-2005, 10:00 AM

Don't pay a penny more than MSRP. Some places will give you $500 below via Costco discount. Some dealers have several new Priuses on the lot. They might be willing to negotiate. Especially after Jan 1st, they still have cars on the lot. Call around.

daniel · 12-22-2005, 10:47 AM

You should NOT pay for their advertising! They should give you the tankful of gas, though I would nopt quibble over ten bucks. If the "holdback" is a rebate from the factory to the dealer, it means Toyota is giving your dealer $434. By what possible logic could they use that as an excuse to charge you another $434????? As noted above, dealer prep is included in MSRP.

For my '04 I paid MSRP plus a "document fee" of $149 and I paid the taxes and fees, which the dealer passes on to the government. There is no reason to pay more for an '06 (except that, obviously, MSRP is higher).

As Jack noted above, all that stuff they want to charge you is nothing but a dealer mark-up above MSRP. Don't pay it unless you have so much money that you simply don't care, and you want the car that badly.

frankie_delaware · 12-22-2005, 11:11 AM

Oops, my bad. I was wrong that these fees were being added on to the MSRP total.

After reading the responses, I got to thinking that the numbers in the quote didn't add up, so I looked at the quote again.

Due to the way the invoice was formatted on my screen I didn't realize that the added charges were under the dealer cost column, and not part of the MSRP total.

Thanks for the responses, every piece of the puzzle helps! I'm now aware that these fees exist, and can be wary of them.

fd

Kiloran · 12-22-2005, 11:17 AM

One of the reasons I made the Prius-Calculators was so I would be able to identify "surprise" fees:
2005-Model-Year-Prius-Calculator
2006-Model-Year-Prius-Calculator

ThunderJon · 12-22-2005, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kiloran@Dec 22 2005, 09:17 AM
One of the reasons I made the Prius-Calculators was so I would be able to identify "surprise" fees:
2005-Model-Year-Prius-Calculator
2006-Model-Year-Prius-Calculator

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I have my quote. Yea the floormats are a must buy, but only $45 doc fee, which I find very reasonable seeing as I am paying $700 under MSRP for my 06.

12-22-2005, 01:14 AM	#1
frankie_delaware Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: The "OC" Posts: 50 My Car: Package: Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	A quote for a 2006 I received included these add-on fees: TDA: $242.00 (Toyota Dealer Advertising Fee) Gasoline: $10.00 Dealer Holdback: $434.00 (Rebate from factory to dealer after the sale) Whsl. Financial Reserve: $217.00 (Basically dealer prep) These have been discussed in other threads. However, what I would like to know if 2006 buyers, especially in the So. Cal. area, have been having to pay these fees. And, if so, if these are typical values. Due to the high demand, and the fact that the dealers know we are tickled to death to get delivery at MSRP, I wonder if they are at all negotiable. Just getting my ducks in a row for Jan 1, 2006!! __________________ Santa brought me an '06 Silver Pkg. 8 for Christmas.... mpg

12-22-2005, 10:47 AM	#7
daniel Cat Lovers Against the Bomb Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 9,125 My Car: 2004 Prius Package: #6 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	You should NOT pay for their advertising! They should give you the tankful of gas, though I would nopt quibble over ten bucks. If the "holdback" is a rebate from the factory to the dealer, it means Toyota is giving your dealer $434. By what possible logic could they use that as an excuse to charge you another $434????? As noted above, dealer prep is included in MSRP. For my '04 I paid MSRP plus a "document fee" of $149 and I paid the taxes and fees, which the dealer passes on to the government. There is no reason to pay more for an '06 (except that, obviously, MSRP is higher). As Jack noted above, all that stuff they want to charge you is nothing but a dealer mark-up above MSRP. Don't pay it unless you have so much money that you simply don't care, and you want the car that badly. __________________ Daniel ---------------------- Primary car: Zap Xebra SD: 100% electric car. 1.9 cents per mile, using electrons generated from water power. (The Prius is my gas guzzler, used when I have to travel farther than 35 miles in a day.) "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." -- Emma Goldman "Anyone who has ever looked into the glazed eyes of a soldier dying on the battlefield will think long and hard before starting a war." -- Otto von Bismarck

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12-22-2005, 01:31 AM	#2
jwe8f Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 174 My Car: Package: Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	I can tell you I didn't pay any of that on my MSRP 2005 prius, but I know you are asking about the 2006 models. As for dealer prep, did they change this portion of the sticker for '06, or does the different wording allow them to charge for it?

12-22-2005, 03:30 AM	#4
flynz4 Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 263 My Car: Package: Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	My dealer charged a $295 "etched glass" security add-on that is worth $0 in my opinion. I paid $500 under MSRP so I effectively got the Prius for $200 under MSRP. There was a $50 "Title and Registration Processing Fee"... but I think that is standard for most (if not all) new cars in this area. For my 2nd Prius... the same dealer refused to go under MSRP... but also agreed to not add any "etch glass" or anything else. Hence... it will be $200 more than the one I bought this week. I will take delivery of that one after Jan 1st. It sure seems strange paying full MSRP for a car. I suspect by this time next year... the supply will catch up and they will be available discounted like other cars... unless fuel prices go crazy again. /Jim

12-22-2005, 05:02 AM	#5
Jack 06 Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Winters, CA: Prius capital of US. 30 miles W of Sacramento Posts: 2,567 My Car: Package: Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	That's $903 worth of insult. Don't pay a penny of it. Know what the "holdback" is? It's part of the dealer's normal PROFIT, and therefore is already included in MSRP. So this EXTRA holdback is really a markup. I believe it says on the Toyota website that buyers get a full tank of gas. If they're charging $10 (@, say, $2/gal), they're charging you for 42% of the tankful. And yes, it's all negotiable. But I'd go elsewhere.

12-22-2005, 10:00 AM	#6
driverx Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: N. Cal Posts: 60 My Car: 2006 Prius Package: #7 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	Don't pay a penny more than MSRP. Some places will give you $500 below via Costco discount. Some dealers have several new Priuses on the lot. They might be willing to negotiate. Especially after Jan 1st, they still have cars on the lot. Call around.

12-22-2005, 11:11 AM	#8
frankie_delaware Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: The "OC" Posts: 50 My Car: Package: Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	Oops, my bad. I was wrong that these fees were being added on to the MSRP total. After reading the responses, I got to thinking that the numbers in the quote didn't add up, so I looked at the quote again. Due to the way the invoice was formatted on my screen I didn't realize that the added charges were under the dealer cost column, and not part of the MSRP total. Thanks for the responses, every piece of the puzzle helps! I'm now aware that these fees exist, and can be wary of them. fd

12-22-2005, 11:17 AM	#9
Kiloran Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,225 My Car: Package: Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	One of the reasons I made the Prius-Calculators was so I would be able to identify "surprise" fees: 2005-Model-Year-Prius-Calculator 2006-Model-Year-Prius-Calculator