real world test of hybrid and diesel cars

Frank Hudon · 01-08-2006, 03:08 PM

have a look at our local test. Quite interesting.
http://www.drivingtelevision.com/segmentvi...call=&segtitle=

DaveinOlyWA · 01-08-2006, 03:57 PM

very nice... now we know how the HAH padded its mileage figures...hehehe

*edit*

just saw the fuel cell segment... not bad, BUT...

1)no trunk...ok drive with most of my Prius empty most of the time anyway.

2)20 second startup time...i can live with that.

3) 0-100 kph (66 mph) in 15 seconds... ok the Prius is MUCH faster, but i rarely need it or use it...i suppose i could

4) at least they mention the hydrogen supply... they didnt mention however, how much one of these vehicles would cost. a hydrogen supply line can be had. just take some of the vast emptiness of the interior US, create massive wind and solar farms. create the hydrogen and pipe it to humanity... that will only cost a few trillion... so ya... it could work... only would need to have a few dozen govermmental bodies to agree on...ok that would be impossible...

now if we could make it so only a few governmental agen...oh ya... that would only be very very very difficult...but it could be done...ya it could be done

roach52osu · 01-08-2006, 05:13 PM

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Originally posted by Frank Hudon@Jan 8 2006, 04:08 PM
have a look at our local test. Quite interesting.
http://www.drivingtelevision.com/segmentvi...call=&segtitle=

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Very nice segment and comparison... I felt like this was fair in their driving situations in fact my daily commute is a mini version of their trip as far as highway, in town, constuction and such. This makes me feel even better about waiting for my Prius. I was suprised that the camry beat the HAH but I suppose a 4 cyl in comparison to a 6 even with hybrid would make such a difference. I do have to wonder where that 7 mile variation in the trip meter came from with the same route lane changes and variations should not have made up 7 mile honda may need to check that out.

Thanks for a great link!

DaveinOlyWA · 01-08-2006, 05:15 PM

i think the MUCH bigger surprise was the FEH beating the Camry... that was an eye opener

Denny_A · 01-08-2006, 05:52 PM

Hmmm....Prius; almost 55 mpg combined in a "real world" (not Consumers Report) test! But, just as interesting is what the stop n' go driving did to all the others, including the TDI!

Oh, and how 'bout that Dagmar!

Frank Hudon · 01-08-2006, 05:55 PM

you also have to understand that Zak is the biggest mouthpiece against hybrid technology. Always bitched and complained that they never get the rated mileage and always was a big promoter of diesel as better..................hmmmmm maybe he'll change his tune now? naaaa doubt it in the least. He'll still be driving his beamer. I paid less for gas in one year than he pay's per month on his lease. Oh well, he gets to write off his expenses for his car and I don't. Oh reality! shame on me. But all in all I thought a reasonable test and if I understand right there are 2 more segments to the story, will have to wait and see.

KMO · 01-08-2006, 06:02 PM

Just to pre-empt some confusion I can see coming up...

They measured 54 miles per standard gallon, which is 45 miles per U.S. gallon.

Which I found a good, reassuring figure, as it totally matches my normal experience (far more so than all the people around here claiming to regularly get over 60mpg (50 US mpg)).

Frank Hudon · 01-08-2006, 06:06 PM

I though of that too but didn't mention anything about it as they drove the car the way a lot of people do, don't care..just drive it. So I thougt that it did pretty good considering.

DaveinOlyWA · 01-08-2006, 07:15 PM

also have to remember that any driving test is based on conditions. but the relationship between any derived figure will be accurate. also remember that the Prius had 3+ km added to its distance driven despite not driving that distance. so its true mileage is even lower.

but lets face it, they did not beat the competition because there was no competition. they more than doubled the mileage of the worst competitor and was 33% better than their nearest "competitor"... the omission of any real competition (the HCH) is amazing

plasm · 01-08-2006, 07:51 PM

I'm really surprised the regular Accord did so poorly: 20 mpg! That's awful for a 4 cylinder!

01-08-2006, 03:57 PM	#2
DaveinOlyWA Opps !! I Did it Again!! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: South Puget Sound, WA Posts: 9,544 My Car: 2006 Prius Package: #4 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 5	very nice... now we know how the HAH padded its mileage figures...hehehe edit just saw the fuel cell segment... not bad, BUT... 1)no trunk...ok drive with most of my Prius empty most of the time anyway. 2)20 second startup time...i can live with that. 3) 0-100 kph (66 mph) in 15 seconds... ok the Prius is MUCH faster, but i rarely need it or use it...i suppose i could 4) at least they mention the hydrogen supply... they didnt mention however, how much one of these vehicles would cost. a hydrogen supply line can be had. just take some of the vast emptiness of the interior US, create massive wind and solar farms. create the hydrogen and pipe it to humanity... that will only cost a few trillion... so ya... it could work... only would need to have a few dozen govermmental bodies to agree on...ok that would be impossible... now if we could make it so only a few governmental agen...oh ya... that would only be very very very difficult...but it could be done...ya it could be done __________________ My 2006: Last tank 463.1 miles @49.2 pump (49.4 computer) 4.22 cpm winter mpg 50.70 summer mpg 54.59 lifetime: 33,038.3 miles 52.79 mpg pump (54.04 mpg computer) 5.74 cpm My 2007 Zenn Driven 5849 miles, 2.00 cpm/ 105 mpg (at $2.05/gal), 4.04 miles/ Kwh Savings over my Prius $300.79 The Corolla...567.79 The REAL SAVINGS from not driving Corolla 657.39 +Prius= 958.18 (excludes maintenance costs...would be unfair to ICE vehicles) My Plate: DUALPWR (Dual Power)

01-08-2006, 05:55 PM	#6
Frank Hudon Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 4,144 My Car: Package: Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	you also have to understand that Zak is the biggest mouthpiece against hybrid technology. Always bitched and complained that they never get the rated mileage and always was a big promoter of diesel as better..................hmmmmm maybe he'll change his tune now? naaaa doubt it in the least. He'll still be driving his beamer. I paid less for gas in one year than he pay's per month on his lease. Oh well, he gets to write off his expenses for his car and I don't. Oh reality! shame on me. But all in all I thought a reasonable test and if I understand right there are 2 more segments to the story, will have to wait and see. __________________ You can quote me on this, People who drive vehicles that idle at a traffic light, are idiots. mine 2k3 avg. 5.36 for 46,915Km Best tank 4.4L per 100K 64.2 Imperial 53.4 U.S. gallon, MiniScanner, SilverStars, block heater, winter lips, in as of Oct 15, out on April 25. In again on Sept. 21st. her's 2k4 "B" avg. 6.01 for 42,317 Km Best tank 4.02L per 100K, CAN-view with OBD11 module and flashloader, SilverStars, 06 Chrome grill bar, Michelin HydroEdge, upper and lower grill blocker,upper out as of April 7, lower out on April 28. In again on Sept 21st.

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01-08-2006, 03:08 PM	#1
Frank Hudon Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 4,144 My Car: Package: Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	have a look at our local test. Quite interesting. http://www.drivingtelevision.com/segmentvi...call=&segtitle=

01-08-2006, 05:15 PM	#4
DaveinOlyWA Opps !! I Did it Again!! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: South Puget Sound, WA Posts: 9,544 My Car: 2006 Prius Package: #4 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 5	i think the MUCH bigger surprise was the FEH beating the Camry... that was an eye opener

01-08-2006, 05:52 PM	#5
Denny_A Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Fox Valley, WI Posts: 133 My Car: 2006 Prius Package: #6 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	Hmmm....Prius; almost 55 mpg combined in a "real world" (not Consumers Report) test! But, just as interesting is what the stop n' go driving did to all the others, including the TDI! Oh, and how 'bout that Dagmar!

01-08-2006, 06:02 PM	#7
KMO Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Cambridge, UK Posts: 911 My Car: 2005 Prius Package: T Spirit Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	Just to pre-empt some confusion I can see coming up... They measured 54 miles per standard gallon, which is 45 miles per U.S. gallon. Which I found a good, reassuring figure, as it totally matches my normal experience (far more so than all the people around here claiming to regularly get over 60mpg (50 US mpg)).

01-08-2006, 06:06 PM	#8
Frank Hudon Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 4,144 My Car: Package: Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	I though of that too but didn't mention anything about it as they drove the car the way a lot of people do, don't care..just drive it. So I thougt that it did pretty good considering.

01-08-2006, 07:15 PM	#9
DaveinOlyWA Opps !! I Did it Again!! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: South Puget Sound, WA Posts: 9,544 My Car: 2006 Prius Package: #4 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 5	also have to remember that any driving test is based on conditions. but the relationship between any derived figure will be accurate. also remember that the Prius had 3+ km added to its distance driven despite not driving that distance. so its true mileage is even lower. but lets face it, they did not beat the competition because there was no competition. they more than doubled the mileage of the worst competitor and was 33% better than their nearest "competitor"... the omission of any real competition (the HCH) is amazing

01-08-2006, 07:51 PM	#10
plasm Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Cambridge, MA Posts: 56 My Car: Package: Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	I'm really surprised the regular Accord did so poorly: 20 mpg! That's awful for a 4 cylinder!