The Hummer & the Hybrid

Arroyo · 06-30-2004, 05:11 AM

The most politically correct vehicle goes against the most politically incorrect one in this two-car shoot out:

http://www.lacar.com/modules.php?name=News...article&sid=276

:mrgreen:

Batavier · 06-30-2004, 05:36 AM

Nice article, fun to read at least.

I wonder what they have in store for the sound system!

**TonyPSchaefer** · 06-30-2004, 01:31 PM

Near the beginning of the article, they mention that the H2 fans are firing at Prius fans because the Prius isn't consistently realizing the mpg advertised by the EPA tests. Some would argue "as much as 30% less than anticipated".

(no, I am not opening this up to the myriad of people who can cite better-than-projected milage. I'm not even going to rant about how weak of an argument that is.)

Rather, I'm going to point you to right near the end where they provide "real world" mpg for both cars. They say that H2s are projected for 11 but realizing between 8 and 9. So I did a little math. It turns out that if you drive an H2 and realize 8 mpg, you are "as much as 30% less than anticipated".

I understand that this is not Earth shattering by any means. I just like pointing out that they are using an argument that is all too easily used against themselves. Then again, it all comes into perspective when you read the section of the article referring to the personality of the H2 owner.

Bob Allen · 07-01-2004, 01:09 PM

One could conclude after reading this article that the only meaningful criterion for judging the worth of an automobile is the subjective "feeling" that people get from it.
Applying this logic to, say, the Titanic, one might assume that the average first class passenger at the beginning of the voyage would value the grand piano in the first class salon more than one of the "unnecessary" lifeboats cluttering the promenade. At the unfortunate end of the voyage, however, the piano would appear useless compared to the lifeboat, and the value of each very clearly defined.

jfschultz · 07-01-2004, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TonyPSchaefer
Near the beginning of the article, they mention that the H2 fans are firing at Prius fans because the Prius isn't consistently realizing the mpg advertised by the EPA tests. Some would argue \"as much as 30% less than anticipated\".

(no, I am not opening this up to the myriad of people who can cite better-than-projected milage. I'm not even going to rant about how weak of an argument that is.)

Rather, I'm going to point you to right near the end where they provide \"real world\" mpg for both cars. They say that H2s are projected for 11 but realizing between 8 and 9. So I did a little math. It turns out that if you drive an H2 and realize 8 mpg, you are \"as much as 30% less than anticipated\".

I understand that this is not Earth shattering by any means. I just like pointing out that they are using an argument that is all too easily used against themselves. Then again, it all comes into perspective when you read the section of the article referring to the personality of the H2 owner.

You caught it. At 8 to 9 MPG the Hummer is 30 to 20% below EPA. And gess what... at 44 MPG the Prius is 20% below EPA. Its just that 11 looks much bigger than 2 to 3.

richard schumacher · 07-01-2004, 03:18 PM

Notice that LACar also prefers to remove the Prius' wheel trim rings.

06-30-2004, 05:11 AM	#1
Arroyo Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 168 My Car: 2004 Prius Package: #7 Nominated 1 Time in 1 Post TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	The Hummer & the Hybrid The most politically correct vehicle goes against the most politically incorrect one in this two-car shoot out: http://www.lacar.com/modules.php?name=News...article&sid=276 :mrgreen:

06-30-2004, 01:31 PM	#3
TonyPSchaefer Ruler of Omicron Persei 8 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Far-North Chicagoland Posts: 7,688 My Car: 2004 Prius Package: #9 Nominated 4 Times in 2 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 14	Near the beginning of the article, they mention that the H2 fans are firing at Prius fans because the Prius isn't consistently realizing the mpg advertised by the EPA tests. Some would argue "as much as 30% less than anticipated". (no, I am not opening this up to the myriad of people who can cite better-than-projected milage. I'm not even going to rant about how weak of an argument that is.) Rather, I'm going to point you to right near the end where they provide "real world" mpg for both cars. They say that H2s are projected for 11 but realizing between 8 and 9. So I did a little math. It turns out that if you drive an H2 and realize 8 mpg, you are "as much as 30% less than anticipated". I understand that this is not Earth shattering by any means. I just like pointing out that they are using an argument that is all too easily used against themselves. Then again, it all comes into perspective when you read the section of the article referring to the personality of the H2 owner. __________________ Proud father of Priapus: the '04 Tideland BC9 with an OEM EV button and sense of self-righteousness >>Current Mileage<< Spreading information and passing gas in the Greater Chicagoland area

07-01-2004, 01:09 PM	#4
Bob Allen Captainbaba Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,251 My Car: 2004 Prius Package: #7 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	subjective judgement One could conclude after reading this article that the only meaningful criterion for judging the worth of an automobile is the subjective "feeling" that people get from it. Applying this logic to, say, the Titanic, one might assume that the average first class passenger at the beginning of the voyage would value the grand piano in the first class salon more than one of the "unnecessary" lifeboats cluttering the promenade. At the unfortunate end of the voyage, however, the piano would appear useless compared to the lifeboat, and the value of each very clearly defined.

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06-30-2004, 05:36 AM	#2
Batavier Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 431 My Car: Package: Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	Nice article, fun to read at least. I wonder what they have in store for the sound system!

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richard schumacher ichorous liquor Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: United States Posts: 3,888 My Car: 2004 Prius Package: #6 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	Notice that LACar also prefers to remove the Prius' wheel trim rings.