Packages 4 & 5

Cyclesome · 03-06-2005, 02:05 PM

I have a 05 Red Salsa # 5 waiting to be sent to my dealership within 1 - 3 weeks I am told. Which is more important? #4 HID lights or #5 Anti theft system and 6CD player? I am not interested in # 6 as I don't think I will use the navigational system for the $2600 additional cost.
Please give me some advice?

kidtwist · 03-06-2005, 02:08 PM

I've heard that the HID lights are nothing special.

**efusco** · 03-06-2005, 02:20 PM

Not to make your life/decison more difficult, but the BC (#6) package is a lot more than a NAV...I think it's misleading that they call it a NAV package. If they called it the Hi-Tech Package maybe it would be better.

The Bluetooth system is very convenient, the JBL stereo is pretty decent, the NAV itself is actually handy too...and I didn't really want or expect to use it, but when you need it you're sure glad it's there. The available voice commands are a sweet convienence as well...and something that really makes this car feel more high tech and luxurious even though I only use a handful of the commands on a regular basis.

I don't know how bad crime is in Hooverville, or if you travel to areas where crime is bad on a regular basis, but you can probably live without the HID headlights making the #5 a little better choice. of the two.

LeVautRien · 03-06-2005, 02:34 PM

HID headlights are also somewhat bad for bad crime neighborhoods, as they're quite the popular theft commodity.

Sufferin' Prius Envy · 03-06-2005, 02:44 PM

HIDs are very nice. You especially notice it when you drive someone else's car without HID . . . they seem dim.

The fog lights are kind of useless for better viewing in fog because the HIDs do an outstanding job on their own with their very low and abrupt cutoff line between dark above and light below. They just don’t illuminate the fog up higher in your line of view like regular lights do. Though the fog lights may help with others seeing you.

I think more important than the HIDs is the Vehicle Stability Control (VSC) on package #4 (AM) and package #6 (BC).

VSC is Toyota’s name for Electronic Stability Control . . .

“35-41 Percent reduction in single vehicle crashes in passenger cars with ESC.”
“30-56 Percent reduction in fatal single vehicle crashes in passenger cars with ESC.”

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/regrev...ate/809790.html
http://www.hwysafety.org/news%5Freleases/2...04/pr102804.htm

I chose safety over sound.

bobc · 03-06-2005, 02:45 PM

Gee Cyclesome,

I think this is kind of a personal decision.

I do like the HID light, a vast improvement over my last car. Are you in need of an antitheft system? If so, maybe the HID lights wouldn't be a good idea.

And, does the convenience of having 6 CD's available make sense over having the ability to have only 1 CD in the stereo?

Good luck in your decision!

-bob

LeVautRien · 03-06-2005, 02:47 PM

I'd agree with the choice of safety over sound...and I'm sure it's easier to put in an aftermarket CD changer and some speakers than it is to put in aftermarket VSC (which I've never even heard of) :mrgreen:

DanMan32 · 03-07-2005, 12:01 PM

And you can add GBS, which in turn would activate the alarm that you really already have.

KTPhil · 03-07-2005, 01:47 PM

I love HIDs! My night vision isn't great, and in rainy weather normal headlights don't do crap to light the road ahead.

mikepaul · 03-07-2005, 01:53 PM

I wish the dirt roads were identified and avoidable, but when I want to go home the NAV does get me there, no matter where I've wandered. Could help unless you NEVER go anyplace you haven't been before...

03-06-2005, 02:05 PM	#1
Cyclesome Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Southwestern PA, Somerset County Posts: 28 My Car: Package: Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	Packages 4 & 5 I have a 05 Red Salsa # 5 waiting to be sent to my dealership within 1 - 3 weeks I am told. Which is more important? #4 HID lights or #5 Anti theft system and 6CD player? I am not interested in # 6 as I don't think I will use the navigational system for the $2600 additional cost. Please give me some advice?

03-06-2005, 02:20 PM	#3
efusco Troll Slayer Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Nixa, MO Posts: 14,038 My Car: 2004 Prius Package: #9 Nominated 1 Time in 1 Post TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 23	Not to make your life/decison more difficult, but the BC (#6) package is a lot more than a NAV...I think it's misleading that they call it a NAV package. If they called it the Hi-Tech Package maybe it would be better. The Bluetooth system is very convenient, the JBL stereo is pretty decent, the NAV itself is actually handy too...and I didn't really want or expect to use it, but when you need it you're sure glad it's there. The available voice commands are a sweet convienence as well...and something that really makes this car feel more high tech and luxurious even though I only use a handful of the commands on a regular basis. I don't know how bad crime is in Hooverville, or if you travel to areas where crime is bad on a regular basis, but you can probably live without the HID headlights making the #5 a little better choice. of the two. __________________ Evan E. Fusco, MD Seaside 04BC9/OEM EVb/NAV & auto-BT/XM Radio, CAN-View, Shark Fin, BT Stiff. Plate, Skid Plate & Strut Support

03-06-2005, 02:47 PM	#7
LeVautRien Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Claremont, California Posts: 367 My Car: Package: Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	Re: Packages 4 & 5 I'd agree with the choice of safety over sound...and I'm sure it's easier to put in an aftermarket CD changer and some speakers than it is to put in aftermarket VSC (which I've never even heard of) :mrgreen:

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03-06-2005, 02:08 PM	#2
kidtwist Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 183 My Car: Package: Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	I've heard that the HID lights are nothing special.

03-06-2005, 02:34 PM	#4
LeVautRien Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Claremont, California Posts: 367 My Car: Package: Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	Re: Packages 4 & 5 HID headlights are also somewhat bad for bad crime neighborhoods, as they're quite the popular theft commodity.

03-06-2005, 02:44 PM	#5
Sufferin' Prius Envy Platinum Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: USA Posts: 4,012 My Car: Other Non-Hybrid Package: N/A Nominated 15 Times in 1 Post TOTM Awards: 1 Friends: 0	Re: Packages 4 & 5 HIDs are very nice. You especially notice it when you drive someone else's car without HID . . . they seem dim. The fog lights are kind of useless for better viewing in fog because the HIDs do an outstanding job on their own with their very low and abrupt cutoff line between dark above and light below. They just don’t illuminate the fog up higher in your line of view like regular lights do. Though the fog lights may help with others seeing you. I think more important than the HIDs is the Vehicle Stability Control (VSC) on package #4 (AM) and package #6 (BC). VSC is Toyota’s name for Electronic Stability Control . . . “35-41 Percent reduction in single vehicle crashes in passenger cars with ESC.” “30-56 Percent reduction in fatal single vehicle crashes in passenger cars with ESC.” http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/regrev...ate/809790.html http://www.hwysafety.org/news%5Freleases/2...04/pr102804.htm I chose safety over sound. __________________ My words are my word. I refuse to actively participate in any forum where my written words can/are changed by the powers that be. If you don't like what I wrote, delete it – but don't put words in my mouth that aren't mine. Good-bye.

03-06-2005, 02:45 PM	#6
bobc Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Durham, NH Posts: 360 My Car: Package: Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	Re: Packages 4 & 5 Gee Cyclesome, I think this is kind of a personal decision. I do like the HID light, a vast improvement over my last car. Are you in need of an antitheft system? If so, maybe the HID lights wouldn't be a good idea. And, does the convenience of having 6 CD's available make sense over having the ability to have only 1 CD in the stereo? Good luck in your decision! -bob

03-07-2005, 12:01 PM	#8
DanMan32 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Tampa Bay, FL Posts: 3,775 My Car: Package: Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	And you can add GBS, which in turn would activate the alarm that you really already have.

03-07-2005, 01:47 PM	#9
KTPhil Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,213 My Car: Package: Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	I love HIDs! My night vision isn't great, and in rainy weather normal headlights don't do crap to light the road ahead.

03-07-2005, 01:53 PM	#10
mikepaul Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Columbia, SC Posts: 1,675 My Car: 2004 Prius Package: #9 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	I wish the dirt roads were identified and avoidable, but when I want to go home the NAV does get me there, no matter where I've wandered. Could help unless you NEVER go anyplace you haven't been before...