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| Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Las Vegas, NV
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My Car: Package: Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0 | Does anyone know how the MFD actually calculates fuel mileage? I'm 90% sure it meters mass air flow to the ICE and assumes stoichiometric fuel burn, resulting in discrepencies of about +-10% on the MFD. The only more accurate method would be to incorporate an expensive fuel flow sensor metering exact volume of fuel delivered to the ICE (similar to a jet plane). I've tried to contact Toyota engineering but haven't got a good answer yet. |
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My Car: 2005 Prius Package: #3 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0 | I suspect it is not as complex as you think. It's probably a computer algorithm based on engine RPM. Because I don't find it to be that accurate; in fact the last tank the MFD optomistically gave me an average MPG of 45.2. When I did the calculation it was actually 42.96MPG (406 miles on 9.449 gallons of gas), which is plus or minus 5%. |
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My Car: Package: Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0 | I'd have to check again, but I think New Car Features states it is the on time of the #1 injector, assuming flow rate of that injector. MFD may be adjusting its estimation of injector flow rate based on gas tank, as my errors seem a bit less than when I first got the car. |
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My Car: Package: Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0 | I read on forums that it takes the #1 injector timing and calculates fuel flow. Dont put too much faith in the pump reading, either. Stations often cheat, and a certain error is allowable even at an honest station. I avoid a station I know for a measured fact to be inaccurate, always on the high side (giving me lower calculated mpg) by about 5%. |
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My Car: Package: Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0 | After some research, it appears that the on time of the #1 injector indeed meters the fuel. The on time of the injector is controlled by the mass of air entering the throttle body and is governed by a faily simple transfer function. It's accuracy is dependent on the calibration of the EMU, which gradually improves because it "learns" to produce a more stoichiometric fuel burn over time with the help of the O2 sensors... until you unhook the 12V battery the EMU must re-learn. Any decrease in air density (also termed density altitude) will typically result in higher mpg since the injector timing is decreased. The warmer it is - or the higher you get - will probably result in slightly improved fuel economy. Hope this suffices for you engineering types.
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| Opps !! I Did it Again!! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: South Puget Sound, WA
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My Car: 2006 Prius Package: #4 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 5 | there was a blurb on the local news in seattle over an investigation into the accuracy of fuel pumps in the area here. studies found a significant number to be inaccurate with a 4 to 1 ratio favoring the gas station. law "requires" that pumps be calibrated every 3 years by the state. HOWEVER, there is only 9 people assigned state wide to do so. based on my records, i filed a complaint to have one pump checked because it shorted me 3 straight times. that was last august...still waiting to hear from them. i checked the pump in jan or so and it still hasnt been inspected. obtw... most recent inspection sticker i have seen... June 2000. so moral of this story. you may find that once you get used to your Prius, your mileage may not vary as much as the amount of gas you pay for.
__________________ My 2006: Last tank 463.1 miles @49.2 pump (49.4 computer) 4.22 cpm winter mpg 50.70 summer mpg 54.59 lifetime: 33,038.3 miles 52.79 mpg pump (54.04 mpg computer) 5.74 cpm My 2007 Zenn Driven 5945 miles, 2.01 cpm/ 105 mpg (at $2.05/gal), 4.04 miles/ Kwh Savings over my Prius $302.66 The Corolla...573.26 The REAL SAVINGS from not driving Corolla 657.39 +Prius= 958.18 (excludes maintenance costs...would be unfair to ICE vehicles) My Plate: DUALPWR (Dual Power) |
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| Opps !! I Did it Again!! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: South Puget Sound, WA
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My Car: 2006 Prius Package: #4 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 5 | prior to using that pump, i would alternate between being over or short of the MFD reading which was caused by variances in the fullness of each tank. i also log what pump and station i fill at. well i noticed that one fillup seemed to give lower stats once. so i tested the pump by going there 3 straight times. it averaged being low by 3 mpg. that equals my largest margin of error and the only time that i have been under the MFD mileage 3 times in a row (this is also the cheapest gas station in town which was the reason i went there in the first place) according to the report on the news, 1 in 6 pumps statewide are inaccurate due to a known problem. a gear in the metering valve wears out due to normal usage which is why the pumps need to be calibrated. what alarms me is the high ratio in favor of the station. supposedly, the electronic pumps are tamper proof since every adjustment is automatically time-stamped and must jive with the sticker on the pump. (its a 25,000 fine to alter or deface that sticker although, ive seem a few that were so faded you could barely read them) |
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| Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Olympia Wa
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My Car: 2004 Prius Package: #9 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0 | I also complained because I saw no sticker on newly installed pumps at a station I use. I was told that new pumps are not checked. They are "calibrated" by the technician who installs the pump and the state does not check these for years. They assume the installers are honest. I see variation between 2 of the pumps at that station. I no longer have much trust that the pumps are accurate and clearly not down to the third dismal that the pump reports. Things may be better in other states but in Washington you are on your own.
__________________ Belle, a Millennium Silver '04 BC #9 "Becoming one with my Prius, ICE on ICE off" Belle has been passed on to my daughter. I have a new silver Prius 08. No name yet we have just met but not been introduced. |
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