Has anyone installed the enginer PHEV?

[Flying White Dutchman]

i dont think the guys went around the canbus
the basic callcars system with contactors works the same
injesting power to the plugin pack and system from a higher voltage batterypack
in this case a higher voltage DC-DC converter from 48 volts to XXX volts.

the new prius ( did you see the pictures ) got socket and plug connections on the wire's from the cells to the current sensor and is not that easy to converter

we have to see and wait of anyone is willing to opne up there system for us all to see what can be done (easily )

[kiettyyyy]

Originally Posted by Flying White Dutchman

i dont think the guys went around the canbus
the basic callcars system with contactors works the same
injesting power to the plugin pack and system from a higher voltage batterypack
in this case a higher voltage DC-DC converter from 48 volts to XXX volts.

the new prius ( did you see the pictures ) got socket and plug connections on the wire's from the cells to the current sensor and is not that easy to converter

we have to see and wait of anyone is willing to opne up there system for us all to see what can be done (easily )

This system does NOT spoof or modify any Canbus packets. The reason why other companies such as Plug-in supply and Hymotion spoof the packets is to trick the prius into using more battery power to raise the MPG. This system should still have the same effect by charging the battery to a higher SOC.

Pictures of the hybrid battery pack connections? That doesn't sound too hard..

Is this it?

[Flying White Dutchman]

i am looking for the picture i got from the + and - Lines
then you can see what i mean.

[alevinemi]

Originally Posted by kiettyyyy

I'll either be the first one to have a PHEV in a 2010 Prius or a PriusChat test subject for the Enginer PHEV pack.. I hope.

Let me know how it goes (how easy to install, etc...). I'm seriously considering buying this. It's the first PHEV mod I've seen that would have a positive return on investment, given how I drive and how long the pack is supposed to last. However, I don't want to be their first guinea pig.

I'm in an unusual situation that I drive 17k miles/year, with a break at home for about 4-5 hours mid-day. So, I would charge twice a day instead of once. That improves ROI.

I'm one of those greedy green people. I buy energy saving gizmos that yield at least a 5-6% ROI.

So far, Hymotion and Plug-in power don't qualify.

-->Adam

[mrbigh]

Originally Posted by kiettyyyy

This system does NOT spoof or modify any Can bus packets.

You will need more than one of those "enginer" gizmos in order to provide and equal "voltage power" to the HSD.

[mrbigh]

Originally Posted by alevinemi

Let me know how it goes (how easy to install, etc...). I'm seriously considering buying this. It's the first PHEV mod I've seen that would have a positive return on investment, given how I drive and how long the pack is supposed to last. However, I don't want to be their first guinea pig.

I'm in an unusual situation that I drive 17k miles/year, with a break at home for about 4-5 hours mid-day. So, I would charge twice a day instead of once. That improves ROI.

I'm one of those greedy green people. I buy energy saving gizmos that yield at least a 5-6% ROI.

So far, Hymotion and Plug-in power don't qualify.

-->Adam

There is NOT a really ROI in this types of investments, but is a great feeling driving with no exhaust in the tail pipe

[DaveinOlyWA]

interesting

[alevinemi]

Originally Posted by mrbigh

There is NOT a really ROI in this types of investments, but is a great feeling driving with no exhaust in the tail pipe

That was true for previous PHEV's I have analyzed, this one gets very close to positive IRR (assuming the numbers are close to right)

For this PHEV, the math:

Initial Cost: $2000 (2KWH version)
MPG without mod: 50 MPG
MPG with mod: 75 MPG
Miles Driven: 17k/year or 48/day, 2 charges/day
Fuel Savings per day (at $3/gal): $0.96
Battery Life: 2000 days
Total Fuel Savings: $1,920

Thus, near zero IRR. You could do better with a savings account at 2%, but the IRR is close to zero. If you factor in the fact:
- I strongly belive that gas is going to go up in price a lot more than $3.00. I think a $4-5 average over the next 5 years is realistic.
- The cost of batteries will be lower when you repurchase.
- You have higher residual value in the vehicle.
- You have the value of the non-battery PHEV parts.

IRR could very well be positive.

-->Adam

[mrbigh]

Originally Posted by alevinemi

That was true for previous PHEV's I have analyzed, this one gets very close to positive IRR (assuming the numbers are close to right)

For this PHEV, the math:

Initial Cost: $2000 (2KWH version)
MPG without mod: 50 MPG
MPG with mod: 75 MPG
Miles Driven: 17k/year or 48/day, 2 charges/day
Fuel Savings per day (at $3/gal): $0.96
Battery Life: 2000 days
Total Fuel Savings: $1,920

Thus, near zero IRR. You could do better with a savings account at 2%, but the IRR is close to zero. If you factor in the fact:
- I strongly belive that gas is going to go up in price a lot more than $3.00. I think a $4-5 average over the next 5 years is realistic.
- The cost of batteries will be lower when you repurchase.
- You have higher residual value in the vehicle.
- You have the value of the non-battery PHEV parts.

IRR could very well be positive.
-->Adam

I would like to see your $2000.00 PHEV conversion........
This thread is about an eBay seller offering a Lithium Ion LiFePO4 batteries assemblies at 12V nominal @ $250.00 a piece, plus shipping.
For a workable PHEV conversion you need 20 of these plus a suitable charger, about $900 and a BMS for, at least, each 12V assembly, another 40 a piece and the cheap conversion KIT from Plug-In Supply( CalCars contactor type).
Playing with this type of toys doesn't become cheap as you think.

[alevinemi]

Originally Posted by mrbigh

This thread is about an eBay seller offering a Lithium Ion LiFePO4 batteries assemblies at 12V nominal @ $250.00 a piece, plus shipping.

You are looking at the wrong ebay ad. They do sell batteries, but they also claim to sell the full kit, in a 2KWH and 4KWH version.

The other PHEV mods I have seen are $5-$10k, which is out of my price range. I am suspicious of this one because it seems so much cheaper than competitors, but it looks like Keityyyy is willing to try it first.

Ebay ad:
Prius Plugin PHEV Conversion Kit with Lithium-Ion - eBay (item 200344551230 end time Jun-19-09 23:25:01 PDT)

-->Adam