Nav in 2006 - Keeps speed record?

[osiris12]

Hi All,

Just wondering if my 2006 Prius stores my speed and location inside its diagnostic computer.

I've been reading this
Britain is becoming 'Big Brother' society: report
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20061102/wl_uk...tv_061102190511


Just wondering...

[qbee42]

Some speed and other control information is stored for a short period of time. This can be accessed in the event of a crash.

Tom

[osiris12]

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Some speed and other control information is stored for a short period of time. This can be accessed in the event of a crash.

Tom
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Thanks qbee42, So it is tracked. Does it keep track of location of the speed.

Is there a way to erase that data

[IsrAmeriPrius]

Locations are not recorded. Black boxes are now common on most, if not all, new motor vehicles.

Do a Google search for: "Automobile Black Boxes."

Here is an example:

Car black boxes, also called electronic data recorders, or EDRs, have a computer chip that records data about a car and driver's actions before and during a crash. EDRs generally begin recording when the device detects an abrupt deceleration in the car, signaling that a crash may occur. Currently, the data captured varies among EDRs. Some record only vehicle speed and data about air bag deployment. Others also log whether the driver braked before impact, used turn signals or was buckled in.

EDRs were designed to help automakers build safer vehicles. But manufacturers have used the data to defend against product liability claims. Police investigators have also increasingly been using the data to charge drivers with speeding violations and serious crimes. And insurance companies want the data to dispute unwarranted claims and tie policy rates to driving behavior.

Wired News - Driving Big Brother[/b]

[Stringmike]

In the USA, however, the black box and the information in it is the property of the vehicle owner. It can only be obtained by others by the use of a search warrant or similar legal instrument.

I should also note that cell phone records have been used to see if they were being used at the time of an accident and may have been a contributory cause. (Cell phone use while driving is pretty equivalent to driving drunk).

Mike

[IsrAmeriPrius]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Stringmike @ Nov 2 2006, 08:39 PM) [snapback]343018[/snapback]</div>

In the USA, however, the black box and the information in it is the property of the vehicle owner. It can only be obtained by others by the use of a search warrant or similar legal instrument.[/b]

Not completely accurate. Legislation regulating the use of the EDR recordings exists in only about one quarter of the states. California was the first state to regulate the use of such data with a law that was enacted in 2004.

9951. (a) A manufacturer of a new motor vehicle sold or leased in
this state that is equipped with one or more recording devices
commonly referred to as "event data recorders (EDR)" or "sensing and
diagnostic modules (SDM)," shall disclose that fact in the owner's
manual for the vehicle.
(b) As used in this section, "recording device" means a device
that is installed by the manufacturer of the vehicle and does one or
more of the following, for the purpose of retrieving data after an
accident:
(1) Records how fast and in which direction the motor vehicle is
traveling.
(2) Records a history of where the motor vehicle travels.
(3) Records steering performance.
(4) Records brake performance, including, but not limited to,
whether brakes were applied before an accident.
(5) Records the driver's seatbelt status.
(6) Has the ability to transmit information concerning an accident
in which the motor vehicle has been involved to a central
communications system when an accident occurs.
© Data described in subdivision (b) that is recorded on a
recording device may not be downloaded or otherwise retrieved by a
person other than the registered owner of the motor vehicle, except
under one of the following circumstances:
(1) The registered owner of the motor vehicle consents to the
retrieval of the information.
(2) In response to an order of a court having jurisdiction to
issue the order.
(3) For the purpose of improving motor vehicle safety, including
for medical research of the human body's reaction to motor vehicle
accidents, and the identity of the registered owner or driver is not
disclosed in connection with that retrieved data. The disclosure of
the vehicle identification number (VIN) for the purpose of improving
vehicle safety, including for medical research of the human body's
reaction to motor vehicle accidents, does not constitute the
disclosure of the identity of the registered owner or driver.
(4) The data is retrieved by a licensed new motor vehicle dealer,
or by an automotive technician as defined in Section 9880.1 of the
Business and Professions Code, for the purpose of diagnosing,
servicing, or repairing the motor vehicle.
(d) A person authorized to download or otherwise retrieve data
from a recording device pursuant to paragraph (3) of subdivision ©,
may not release that data, except to share the data among the motor
vehicle safety and medical research communities to advance motor
vehicle safety, and only if the identity of the registered owner or
driver is not disclosed.
(e) (1) If a motor vehicle is equipped with a recording device
that is capable of recording or transmitting information as described
in paragraph (2) or (6) of subdivision (b) and that capability is
part of a subscription service, the fact that the information may be
recorded or transmitted shall be disclosed in the subscription
service agreement.
(2) Subdivision © does not apply to subscription services
meeting the requirements of paragraph (1).
(f) This section applies to all motor vehicles manufactured on or
after July 1, 2004.

California Vehicle Code Section 9951[/b]

[Charles Suitt]

<_< Hello osiris12

You don't say WHERE you are or which Prius you're driving... if, indeed, you ARE driving a Prius. Knowing your location, and model of Prius are always helpful when responding to questions.

Want to "erase" the data? Have you been speeding and want to get rid of the evidence?

[eagle33199]

to the best of my knowledge, the "black box" does not integrate with the nav unit. instead, it has a short term memory, which is only capable of saving data for a a few seconds, maybe a minute. The data it records, i believe, is speed, rotation of the steering wheel, pressure applied to gas and brake pedals, and probably some internal data (such as traction control or ABS activated, etc).

They key point is that it's short term - no one can go to your car and tell how fast you were driving last week from the data in the "black box". and while explicit legislation hasn't been drawn up in every state, the information is erased fairly quickly unless the car senses and accident.

So you don't have to worry about it having a recording of all your illegal driving habits (speeding, illegal U turns, etc) :P

[Stringmike]

True - legislation has been enacted in only a number of states.

However, my main point was that the car and any recording devices in it are the property of the owner and proper legal procedures should be used to acquire data from it. This is true in all US States since property rights are (supposedly) guaranteed by the Constitution. There have been cases where police have obtained data without the permission from the owner, such as when a vehicle has been impounded as part of an investigation. The latest regulations are to remove any possible ambiguity on ownership of data and access by authorities to it.

Mike

[osiris12]

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True - legislation has been enacted in only a number of states.

However, my main point was that the car and any recording devices in it are the property of the owner and proper legal procedures should be used to acquire data from it. This is true in all US States since property rights are (supposedly) guaranteed by the Constitution. There have been cases where police have obtained data without the permission from the owner, such as when a vehicle has been impounded as part of an investigation. The latest regulations are to remove any possible ambiguity on ownership of data and access by authorities to it.

Mike
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Thanks everyone for your insight (no pun intended). I'm not a speeder but value my privacy and this info puts my mind at ease for now. It seems that Briton is becoming a police state rather quickly. I'm sure the states will not be far behind.