TPS =17

douglas001001 · 08-15-2007, 12:34 PM

Just curious if any of the technically knowledgeable or can-view'd people could verify what I think is happening in the following situation.

When at highway speed and knowing I'm going to slow down I sometimes go to tps = 17, which leaves ICE on at idle rpm with scan gauge gph = .2 or .3. When I do this it seems like the gearing friction goes away and the car is coasting similar to putting a manual transmission into neutral and coasting with ice on.

If this is the case, I think this might be a good alternative to warp-stealth when exiting freeways or for downhill segments immediately followed by P&g friendly terrain in cold weather when a ICE-off glide at higher speeds cools the cat to the point where forced ice on occurs following the glide.

(one portion of my route is a long downhill to 4 miles of slow and go where I had forced ice on after gliding during the downhill in cold weather)

hobbit · 08-15-2007, 12:55 PM

The engine loses surprisingly little heat even during very long
warp-stealth glides. Between the TPS you see and the full valve
retardation, the net airflow through the engine seems to get reduced
to almost nothing. Don't believe the GPH figure -- the ECU misreports
that during fuel-cut states, or the OBDII device is doing improper
math based purely on MAF figures. WS is a very low-friction state
for the engine to be in, and the longer you can hold it the better
overall you do.
.
_H*

bwilson4web · 08-15-2007, 03:42 PM

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Just curious if any of the technically knowledgeable or can-view'd people could verify what I think is happening in the following situation.

When at highway speed and knowing I'm going to slow down I sometimes go to tps = 17, which leaves ICE on at idle rpm with scan gauge gph = .2 or .3. . . .
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Is "tps = 17" something displayed by an after market OBD scanner?

Bob Wilson

JimboK · 08-15-2007, 03:53 PM

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Is "tps = 17" something displayed by an after market OBD scanner?

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Throttle Position Setting, displayed by ScanGauge.

David Beale · 08-15-2007, 05:41 PM

I was quite amazed how narrow the "band-gap" was to get into "warp-stealth". Looking for really thin flexible sole shoes to make it easier to get there.

My Scangauge II also displays the same readings you got, though I haven't looked at the tps reading. Those with Can-view have confirmed there isn't actually any fuel being injected.

1fixitman · 08-15-2007, 08:12 PM

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I was quite amazed how narrow the "band-gap" was to get into "warp-stealth". Looking for really thin flexible sole shoes to make it easier to get there.

My Scangauge II also displays the same readings you got, though I haven't looked at the tps reading. Those with Can-view have confirmed there isn't actually any fuel being injected.
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I have been watching TPS on my SGII for a few days now mostly looking at what the best efficiency is for going up the hills I regularly travel too and from work as I think monitoring the 12V battery is.....well....boring.....so I decided to watch Throttle Position Sensor/Setting. I will look at what the TPS shows for all neutral stealth down hills that I do to see if it is 17 or not. I can tell you that without placing my foot on the pedal it is the number 11. I will keep a sharp look on my commutes (a whole 17 miles)

ken1784 · 08-15-2007, 09:46 PM

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When at highway speed and knowing I'm going to slow down I sometimes go to tps = 17, which leaves ICE on at idle rpm with scan gauge gph = .2 or .3.
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Scangauge II displays incorrect data on such fuel cut mode.
http://priuschat.com/index.php?showtopic=34275&st=1

Ken@Japan

douglas001001 · 08-16-2007, 12:03 PM

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I have been watching TPS on my SGII for a few days now mostly looking at what the best efficiency is for going up the hills I regularly travel too and from work as I think monitoring the 12V battery is.....well....boring.....so I decided to watch Throttle Position Sensor/Setting. I will look at what the TPS shows for all neutral stealth down hills that I do to see if it is 17 or not. I can tell you that without placing my foot on the pedal it is the number 11. I will keep a sharp look on my commutes (a whole 17 miles)
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ws (14/15), no arrow glide (14), ev assist in stealth mode ('harder' 14 and 15). 16 + will light the ice. 16 and 17 seem to be low/no fuel ice on coasting. The main inquiry for the post was to see if in 17 the gears are "freewheeling" and its like you're coasting in neutral.

re David: if you are watching scan gauge trying to get into ws, let off completely until rpm hit 960 then reapply pressure. Once ice is off and is in battery spinning mode its much easier to get into the glide.

re hobbit's answer: I'm not seeing engine temp go down, but a long ws glide at below freezing outside temps seems to put the car back in s1 like operation with ice on at all times, so I'm guessing it is cat converter temp too low. A couple of hard pulses usually get it back to normal so I was hoping that tps 17 was low gas flow enough to keep the cat warm while coasting in below freezing temps.

08-15-2007, 12:34 PM	#1
douglas001001 smug doug Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Chicago Posts: 206 My Car: 2007 Prius Package: #6 Touring Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 1	Just curious if any of the technically knowledgeable or can-view'd people could verify what I think is happening in the following situation. When at highway speed and knowing I'm going to slow down I sometimes go to tps = 17, which leaves ICE on at idle rpm with scan gauge gph = .2 or .3. When I do this it seems like the gearing friction goes away and the car is coasting similar to putting a manual transmission into neutral and coasting with ice on. If this is the case, I think this might be a good alternative to warp-stealth when exiting freeways or for downhill segments immediately followed by P&g friendly terrain in cold weather when a ICE-off glide at higher speeds cools the cat to the point where forced ice on occurs following the glide. (one portion of my route is a long downhill to 4 miles of slow and go where I had forced ice on after gliding during the downhill in cold weather) __________________ --------------------- Corn is food, not fuel.

08-15-2007, 12:55 PM	#2
hobbit Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bahstahn Posts: 2,981 My Car: Package: Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	The engine loses surprisingly little heat even during very long warp-stealth glides. Between the TPS you see and the full valve retardation, the net airflow through the engine seems to get reduced to almost nothing. Don't believe the GPH figure -- the ECU misreports that during fuel-cut states, or the OBDII device is doing improper math based purely on MAF figures. WS is a very low-friction state for the engine to be in, and the longer you can hold it the better overall you do. . _H*

08-15-2007, 05:41 PM	#5
David Beale Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Edmonton Alberta Posts: 1,551 My Car: 2007 Prius Package: B Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	I was quite amazed how narrow the "band-gap" was to get into "warp-stealth". Looking for really thin flexible sole shoes to make it easier to get there. My Scangauge II also displays the same readings you got, though I haven't looked at the tps reading. Those with Can-view have confirmed there isn't actually any fuel being injected.