Question for moderators and others to ruminate...

[qbee42]

Originally Posted by Indyking

Needless to say I'm disappointed. I guess nobody is going to look at this anymore, but if I was one of the moderators, I certainly would, so I have a few more words.

While organization has been the justification of moving selective threads, this thread apparently was moved by someone who is not even listed as a moderator, so basic features of organization is not even present here to begin with. Unfortunately, there seems to be no consistency among moderators to move threads. Looking back in the ones recently moved, I'm afraid the selection is somewhat biased leaving doubts about transparency.

I love Priuschat and I have learned a lot from it, including from the moderators, but for now on I will always have that caveat on mind when posting... it will never be the same... a shame, it really is...

Why do you think people only visit the main forum? I think you underestimate the abilities of the typical PriusChatter. I, for one, have found the moderation on this site to be exceptional, especially when you consider that these are not paid moderators. On the other hand, we do have a few humorless members, but that's another issue.

Tom

[Indyking]

Originally Posted by qbee42

Why do you think people only visit the main forum? I think you underestimate the abilities of the typical PriusChatter. I, for one, have found the moderation on this site to be exceptional, especially when you consider that these are not paid moderators. On the other hand, we do have a few humorless members, but that's another issue.

Tom

The “views” tab in the far right is a very useful tool. Check it yourself and compared other topics to the Main.

I never said I do not appreciate the voluntary work done by moderators here, in fact, it is something I would probably not able to do, therefore, they definitively deserve credit for it.

[qbee42]

Originally Posted by Indyking

The “views” tab in the far right is a very useful tool. Check it yourself and compared other topics to the Main.
<snip>

What "views" tab? Perhaps it is my OS/Browser combination, but I don't see a views tab. Exactly where is it and what does it do?

Tom

[Danny]

Originally Posted by efusco

We moderators are paid absolutely nothing.

Well, there are the sheep and goats...

I think the other mods have tackled this subject enough for me not to worry about tossing in my $0.02.

Rick, I will work on the top navigation menu to include a better forum tree so that everything doesn't automatically get dumped in the Main forum.

[Indyking]

Originally Posted by Danny

Well, there are the sheep and goats...

I think the other mods have tackled this subject enough for me not to worry about tossing in my $0.02.

Rick, I will work on the top navigation menu to include a better forum tree so that everything doesn't automatically get dumped in the Main forum.

It would also be a good idea to add all moderator nicknames to the moderator list as I always thought there was only 2 of you, but apparently not...

[Paradox]

I can assure everyone that there is no selectiveness in moving posts when I do move a post.

When I login I click on the 'unread posts' link. I then read the thread topics and also look at the forum they are in. If I feel that post belongs in a better suited thread than where it is (usually the main forum) I'll open it up in a new tab and then continue to move it to the thread I feel it best belongs in. At no time do I look to see who made the post and use that as a determining factor whether or not I will go through with the move. Like I said earlier, if I notice a thread that has been going on for a few days and have quite a few posts in it already I'll just leave it be rather than look to shuffle it around.

Not like it matters, but I just wanted to make clear how I moderate and move threads. Like I said, moderating is all about making decisions by oneself and like anyone who does things for a group of people, you cannot make 100% of the people happy 100% of the time. I do try though and personally I feel Rick and I have been doing a great job in the GenIII forums. (I shouldn't leave the other mods out of course and honestly they do a superb job as well). I had my own site for some years and let me tell you, considering the traffic we get here the moderating staff here does a superb job.

[TonyPSchaefer]

Originally Posted by Indyking

It would also be a good idea to add all moderator nicknames to the moderator list as I always thought there was only 2 of you, but apparently not...

There are three types of Moderators:
PriusChat Admin. That's Danny.
PriusChat Moderators: Tideland Prius, Efusco, TonyPSchaefer
Forum Moderators: Paradox, HTMLSpinner

No one - and I mean no one - has the ability to edit, move or otherwise alter thread propoerties once it has been posted. Even when the OP misspells a word in the thread title, they have to ask us to fix it. When a new item needs to be added to a poll, the OP sends us a note. To reiterate, when a thread is moved, it is done by one of us.

On other matters, when a new member or non-member is looking for information about technical issues with their Prius, they will most likely browse through the technical subforum. If they want to improve their mileage, they will look in the mileage subforum. That's why we put them there. I support the idea of making a "Prius Misc" subforum though I think a mere name change will not stop the fact that people knowingly and willingly post their threads in the incorrect forums.

[HTMLSpinnr]

Originally Posted by Indyking

It would also be a good idea to add all moderator nicknames to the moderator list as I always thought there was only 2 of you, but apparently not...

Indy,

Paradox and myself are only moderators for the Gen III Forums. Efusco, TonyPSchaefer, and Tideland Prius are global moderators. Danny is the site owner/admin. Any one of us can affect changes in the Gen III forums, though only the latter 4 can affect site-wide changes. In the end, what Danny says, goes

Hope this clarifies.

edit:

Woops, Tony posted the same thing, but w/ more accuracy.

As far as my style, I take the same approach as others. If a title appears misplaced, I pop the thread open in a new tab. If the thread continues to read as misplaced, it's moved and I leave a 1 month redirect link (so that there's a path from the old to the new). If the thread is pretty old and has a TON of replies, my fuzz factor starts to kick in and it may stay or it may go, depending on how blatently "off topic" it is for the forum it was started in (as a whole, not just the original post).

At no point do I look at the original poster. I've even taken the liberty of moving posts started by one of our super mods (though I think he was testing me ).

[efusco]

Originally Posted by Indyking

There is no need to be rude, and if I was at anytime during this thread, please let me know where, so I can defend myself and apologize appropriately. [snip]I did not say there is a conspiracy at any time, and I'm not sure how you came up with that idea.

And I'm asking you not to be rude. While you may have not said the word "conspiracy you've certainly implied impropriety":

It almost seems that some threads are biased towards staying while others receive a VIP treatment, as if there was an attempt to conceal some threads.

Some have even demonstrated that threads hurting the Prius reputation were possibly being moved to other threads on purpose, which I hope it is not true, but it certainly raises skepticism.

Needless to say I'm disappointed. I guess nobody is going to look at this anymore,

Unfortunately, there seems to be no consistency among moderators to move threads. Looking back in the ones recently moved, I'm afraid the selection is somewhat biased leaving doubts about transparency.

Those are all your comments. If I've somehow misinterpretted them, my apologies. But it seems pretty clear what you were implying.

Originally Posted by Indyking

Please don't accuse me to post threads in the wrong forum, look at yourself first, how many times do you think you have done it?

Let's see, I have over 17000 posts over the past 6 years...I've probably mistakenly posted in the wrong forum 5 times...usually b/c I mistakenly hit the wrong thread button, not b/c I didn't try to put it in the right place. But if I did, I would ask for and appreciate if it was moved. And you did post your topic in the wrong thread, and I moved it for you....you're welcome.

[Paradox]

Originally Posted by HTMLSpinnr

Indy,

Paradox and myself are only moderators for the Gen III Forums. Efusco, TonyPSchaefer, and Tideland Prius are global moderators. Danny is the site owner/admin. Any one of us can affect changes in the Gen III forums, though only the latter 4 can affect site-wide changes. In the end, what Danny says, goes

I know it has happened so this explains why if anyone may see either myself or Rick on and a spammer is posting left and right it doesn't disappear right away. It also explains why I myself will sometimes post "Reported" as the second post in a spam thread. If it is not in the GIII forums, I can do nothing but just report it and allow Evan, Tony or Tideland (or Danny) to move it.

Hope this may help explain the situation in case anyone ever wondered why we just let something sit there...