Question for moderators and others to ruminate...

[HTMLSpinnr]

One more point - most of us have day (or night) jobs as well as real life issues that keep us from being consistent. For me, when I do get the time, I like to enjoy the forums in addition to moderating. Thus, some of these changes may appear sporadic or random when it really comes down to "when we have the time". It's a thankless job, but we're glad to do it.

Originally Posted by Danny

Rick, I will work on the top navigation menu to include a better forum tree so that everything doesn't automatically get dumped in the Main forum.

Wow - the change looks great! The new/off-topic post count in the Main forum has dropped already!

[Indyking]

Originally Posted by efusco

And I'm asking you not to be rude.

While you may have not said the word "conspiracy you've certainly implied impropriety":
Those are all your comments. If I've somehow misinterpretted them, my apologies. But it seems pretty clear what you were implying.

Let's see, I have over 17000 posts over the past 6 years...I've probably mistakenly posted in the wrong forum 5 times...usually b/c I mistakenly hit the wrong thread button, not b/c I didn't try to put it in the right place. But if I did, I would ask for and appreciate if it was moved. And you did post your topic in the wrong thread, and I moved it for you....you're welcome.

"Your ruminations are way beyond reason at this point"

That was the first sentence of your response. How do you take that for being rude?

Want some more? There you go:

"end the hostile conspiracy theory stuff"

"will not happen overnight just b/c you've decided it's not how you like it"

"you really need to back off the snide remarks"

Pretty scary hum? Now, you did fail to demonstrate where I was being rude. By the way, all other moderators has responded me in the nicest way as possible and also provided very useful information about questions I had, so why are you getting a bit of attitude against me?

Regarding you thinking that I was implying conspiracy despite of the fact I did not said that word, that represents your rather creative yet entertaining interpretation of my words. You can interpret any words the way you want but since interpretation is subjective and carry great individual variability, there is absolutely nothing you can accuse me from unless it is clearly stated. Again, I assure you that I was not trying to imply conspiracy whatsoever, whether you believe it or not.

Just a question for thinking. You said you have posted only 5 times out of 17000 in the wrong place. My question is: how many of those 17000 posts were posted in the Main Forum? I think you may know where I'm going with this... needless to say anything else...

[efusco]

Originally Posted by Indyking

"Your ruminations are way beyond reason at this point"

That was the first sentence of your response. How do you take that for being rude?

Want some more? There you go:

"end the hostile conspiracy theory stuff"

"will not happen overnight just b/c you've decided it's not how you like it"

"you really need to back off the snide remarks"

Pretty scary hum? Now, you did fail to demonstrate where I was being rude. By the way, all other moderators has responded me in the nicest way as possible and also provided very useful information about questions I had, so why are you getting a bit of attitude against me?

And I think I was quite successful in demonstrating where you were rude. Look at the 4 statements quoted again. IMO suggesting that there is inappropriate bias and prejudice on the part of the moderation staff is exceptionally rude. Perhaps where you come from that's not. And, where I come from, asking someone to stop such hostile and rude behavior is not, in itself, rude. Am I being direct and abrupt with you, darn right. You've insinuated that we are doing something inappropriate in our moderation and I take huge umbrage with that suggestion.
There's nothing scary about that, I simply won't put up with someone inappropriately, and apologetically, suggesting impropriety on the part of the moderation staff here. It pisses me off and I'm gonna let you know about it and tell you to back off.

Regarding you thinking that I was implying conspiracy despite of the fact I did not said that word, that represents your rather creative yet entertaining interpretation of my words. You can interpret any words the way you want but since interpretation is subjective and carry great individual variability, there is absolutely nothing you can accuse me from unless it is clearly stated. Again, I assure you that I was not trying to imply conspiracy whatsoever, whether you believe it or not.

Thank you for that assurance, but I would certainly like a clarification of the previous quotes then, b/c the way I read them they certainly came across as insulting and suggesting impropriety...perhaps you could requote and explain exactly what you meant when you said things like:
"Some have even demonstrated that threads hurting the Prius reputation were possibly being moved to other threads on purpose, which I hope it is not true, but it certainly raises skepticism."
Just wondering what that actually means b/c clearly, from your assurance above, you didn't mean to suggest wrongdoing on the part of the moderation staff. Feel free to elaborate.

Just a question for thinking. You said you have posted only 5 times out of 17000 in the wrong place. My question is: how many of those 17000 posts were posted in the Main Forum? I think you may know where I'm going with this... needless to say anything else...

I disagree, I think you need to say a lot more. I have no idea what you're trying to get at here. I probably have a very equal distribution of my posts throughout the majority of the Prius II related forums, news forums, and Fred's.

[TonyPSchaefer]

Originally Posted by Indyking

"Your ruminations are way beyond reason at this point"

That was the first sentence of your response. How do you take that for being rude?

Want some more? There you go:

"end the hostile conspiracy theory stuff"

"will not happen overnight just b/c you've decided it's not how you like it"

"you really need to back off the snide remarks"

Pretty scary hum? Now, you did fail to demonstrate where I was being rude. By the way, all other moderators has responded me in the nicest way as possible and also provided very useful information about questions I had, so why are you getting a bit of attitude against me?

Regarding you thinking that I was implying conspiracy despite of the fact I did not said that word, that represents your rather creative yet entertaining interpretation of my words. You can interpret any words the way you want but since interpretation is subjective and carry great individual variability, there is absolutely nothing you can accuse me from unless it is clearly stated. Again, I assure you that I was not trying to imply conspiracy whatsoever, whether you believe it or not.

Just a question for thinking. You said you have posted only 5 times out of 17000 in the wrong place. My question is: how many of those 17000 posts were posted in the Main Forum? I think you may know where I'm going with this... needless to say anything else...

I"m impressed.

Every Moderator has weighed in and answered your questions. But you still come attacking at Evan. I know Evan and he's a big boy able to take care of himself. He almost never lashes out at someone for attacking him in open forums. All the same, if you keep it up, someone else might same him the trouble.

[JimboK]

Originally Posted by Indyking

Regarding you thinking that I was implying conspiracy despite of the fact I did not said that word, that represents your rather creative yet entertaining interpretation of my words. You can interpret any words the way you want but since interpretation is subjective and carry great individual variability, there is absolutely nothing you can accuse me from unless it is clearly stated. Again, I assure you that I was not trying to imply conspiracy whatsoever, whether you believe it or not.

Since this is mostly Indy vs. the Mods, I figured I'd jump into the fray as a non-moderator. I don't consider Evan's interpretation creative or entertaining. I too took your initial posts as implying a conspiracy theory. Thanks for clarifying that that was not your intent, but it's time to admit you're wrong on this point. Consider it a lesson learned; you'll know better next time how to choose your words. Give it a rest and move on.

[Indyking]

Originally Posted by JimboK

Since this is mostly Indy vs. the Mods, I figured I'd jump into the fray as a non-moderator. I don't consider Evan's interpretation creative or entertaining. I too took your initial posts as implying a conspiracy theory. Thanks for clarifying that that was not your intent, but it's time to admit you're wrong on this point. Consider it a lesson learned; you'll know better next time how to choose your words. Give it a rest and move on.

You're right; it's time to give this a rest. This is an unfair and an unnecessary argument. It is a lot easier to find people that will stand up for the moderators than for me. Most moderators have approached this the way I was expecting, which is with helpful answers and comments to my questions. All I can say is that I was not trying to imply conspiracy or anything like that. You must trust my word for that. I was misinterpreted and I'm not spending any time elaborating a response to explain myself. I don't think I should. If you thought I should apologize for something I said, fine, I do apologize for whatever impressions were seen as inappropriate. I have no problems apologizing and admitting I was wrong, ask my wife about that . By the way, if you thought I was being rude too, sorry!

This is my last post here. Mission accomplished. I got answers for most of my questions. Before starting this, I suspected that moderators were volunteers but I wasn't sure. Considering you all (moderators) have your lives apart form this Forum, I agree you all do a great job. It could be better, yes, off course it could, but we would need a full time person to take care of it, which is likely unrealistic. After I started this, changes were already made in the Forum and I noticed an increased numbers of threads are being moved. Next time the Forum format is in discussion, there will be an extra push to improve it, so I really think I made some contribution, being or not recognized for that, I really don’t care; I’m not seeking any recognition. I just want a better Forum for all of us. This is it .

Thanks...