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Hybrid System Warning Light + Yellow Brake Warning

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by danjump, Mar 5, 2014.

  1. Patrick Wong

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    1. Make the Prius READY, then remove the inverter coolant reservoir cap, in order to better see whether you have fluid turbulence within the reservoir. If you do not see this, then you need to have the inverter coolant pump replaced.
    2. If your car has a driveability problem again, note the exact warning lights or else take a good sharp photo of them, and post.
    3. I don't recognize the tentative code that you listed. If you have a problem again and have the DTC read, make an accurate note of it so that you can post. There are literally hundreds of possible codes that might be registered, and the format is ANNNN where A is an alphabet character such as P, C, B or U; while N is a hexadecimal character from 0 - 9 and A - F.
     
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    Having the correct code would be a helpful. Any chance the mechanic put it in writing?
    Also, sorry for confusing the issue talking about the hybrid battery earlier.
     
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    If you've read the voltage directly after charging it'll be temporarily higher. If you drive the car for a few days, or maybe turn your headlights on for a few minutes, then check, you'll get more realistic reading.

    I believe this temporary higher reading is called "surface charge" something like that. In a nutshell it's a short term spike due to the charging, not going to last though.

    12.6'ish or higher what a good, 100% battery will show. If your battery is quite old I'd just change it regardless.
     
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    A P3000 is the generic obdII code for "Battery Control System", but generally there are other more specific codes to go with it. Unless they have the correct scanner, they may have access to the hybrid-specific codes.
     
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    well, my wife wasn't the most accurate: it was a P3000 code. I guess you say this is generic? They didn't mention any other specific codes.

    On the topic of trickle charging, it's been a solid 2 weeks since i did that and i've driven 50-100 miles since then. But i'm still getting these slightly high voltage values.

    So can you suggest any specific action off this P3000 code? Maybe i need to take it to someone with a hybrid specific reader.

    EDIT: Also, do you think in any way this error could just be left over from before I replaced the battery and it just didn't get cleared? After I replaced the battery, The warning lights were off for the first 10-20 min of driving then some lights came back on. But I have yet to have any real effects on drivability or anything. I don't knowhow the warning system works, but maybe it has something to do with that? Can I manually try clearing it without a reading device?
     
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    By unhooking the 12v battery, you will clear most codes.
    But if they come back, then you have a recurring problem
     
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    Thanks EricBecky, I definitely disconnected the battery so it must be reoccurring.

    I see from this old post from Patrick Wong that the generic p3000 without any further codes may mean they just did not have the proper proprietary toyata reader or perhaps some communication error exists with the battery ECU.

    I was trying to avoid it, but it sounds like i'm just going to have to bring it in to a dealer and have them look at it. My wallet is trembling already :(.
     
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    Pay them for the diagnosis and get the codes in writing.
    Report back here and don't feel like you need to make an immediate decision.
     
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    Hi all,

    I've finally taken my car in to the dealer and had them check everything out. Initially they read the codes and gave me a list of a whole slew of about 5 hybrid system failure codes that they were rather confused by. It implied a whole ton of different failures happened all at the same time which they didn't think was realistic. They ended up checking out things in more detail and calling some toyota expert to help them figure it out. In the end found that there was no power being provided to the fan cooling the hybrid battery and that was due a corroded front fuse box (under the hood) because the car's previous owner had lost and not replaced the fuse box cover.

    Apparently replacing the fuse box requires replacing what I think was called the "front harness" which is some large part of the framing of the engine compartment and dash. Additionally, they think I have a bad hybrid computer and abs control box (the one in the back next to the 12v battery). The estimated repair cost is $8,300 which is ~twice what I paid for the car.

    It sounds like i'm in quite a pickle here, and unless anyone can give me some heroic advice or insight that the mechanic didn't, I think the car will be more or less junked and I'll have to figure out how to get rid of it with minimal loss.

    My only hail-mary hope is that I can get it back from the mechanic and try to poke around the fuse box and make any half-hearted jerry-rigged repair I can manage to make it functional at least for a while. Please let me know if you think this is particularly ill-advised. (for someone like me who has a decent experience with electricity and circuits in general, but no direct experience with this car electrical system).
     
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    The dealers will offer to replace the wiring harness in the event of any unusual electrical fault that is outside of the normal troubleshooting tree in the service manual. That involves replacing huge amounts of connections that are just fine, to repair one that isn't. It works for them because it involves an exorbitant bill at the end.

    Where are you located? This is a job for an independent shop that will clean up a bit of corrosion and get you back on the road again. Probably the battery has overheated at some point, and that has spawned the cascade of errors you mention. If you can get power to the fan, you might be good to go.
     
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    I've run into similar situations where the only solution the dealer could offer the customer was complete harness replacement.

    Instead I was able to offer a less invasive and less costly solution. I cleaned up and resoldering of small portions of corroded connectors.

    It really depends how bad things are. What you are describing does sound rather ominous. But that could simply their opinion based on their expertise. If you are comfortable with soldering, heatshrink, etc maybe you can dive in and get the job done. It may take quite a bit of labor, but at least you will not be paying an hourly fee.

    Take some photos and post them up or send them my way via my email. I'd be happy to comment on them.
     
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    Hi ericbecky and nh7o, you've given me a bit of hope the care might be salvagable!

    I got the car back and went to try and look at the fuse box, but I don't know how to detach it and it's proving very difficult to find instructions or video online because all my searches are flooded by normal fuse replacement. can either of you point me to where i can find some instructions, diagrams or videos showing me how to remove or at least detach the fuse box so I can get some pictures on the bottom side?
     
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    See post #19 here:
    12V battery replaced with wrong polarity | PriusChat

    That will give you a start regarding how to remove the main relay/fuse box. As you might expect, this is not a common problem.

    Neither the Toyota factory repair manual nor the electrical wiring diagram provides information about how to remove that box.
     
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    Do you really think the whole things needs to be detached? Does it really look horrible across every bit of the fuse box?
    Otherwise maybe you can deal with only the affected circuits.
    In order to get a better feel for things I really need a couple of pics posted, or send them to directly to my email.
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    I know of a hybrid guy in NY area that I could reach out to you as well. (He is doing a Camry Hybrid battery install that I set him up with.) He's over in Staten Island, though.
     
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    Hi all. I've taken a few photos of the fuse box(see attached files) and my initial impression is that I don't think there is that much corrosion. With that said, I can't really see too much of it with all the plastic fittings. That's why I was trying to detach it (which by the way proved a little to difficult/involved to accomplish), so that I could see underneath where all the wires connect in. But since I couldn't do that, I took an overall photo of the box and a few close ups of the exposed metal of the big fuse. You can take a look, and please let me know if there are other specific photos I could take that would be helpful for you to understand things better.

    As I mentioned, my overall conclusion is that I naively don't see what seems like a big corrosion problem. At the end of the day, the one definitive thing they found when they checked it out at the dealer was that the fan cooling the hybrid battery was not getting power. And they traced the lack of power up to the front fuse box. I don't know exactly how they got to the conclusion that it was corrosion in the fuse box that caused the lack of power.

    My next plan is to look up which fuse relates to the hybrid battery fan and try to check out that fuse specifically and see if i can get to the connectors on the bottom and find out if there is any corrosion and anything obvious I can do about it.

    ericbecky, do you make anything of these pictures? Thanks for offering a lead on someone who might be able to help. I'd like to see what I can do on my own, but if worse comes to worse and I just can't manage anything, it sounds like that guy might be worth checking out. It'd be quite a trip for me, because I can't drive it all at once in the prius without concern of the batter overheating without it's fan, but not out of the question.

    Thanks again everyone for your help. My wife and I are really in a pickle here and are pretty dependent on getting this car working. We just bought it used in the past year and don't have much money for repair and definitely not for a new car. So, you guys are quite the godsend if I can end up repairing this myself or cheaply. Ah the grad student life! Thanks for your time and energy!
     

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    1. You need to replace the fusible link. That part provides substantial power to several circuits and lives in the ~5" long whitish box. That box is supposed to have a clear plastic cover. Since it does not, your photos show some pretty nasty corrosion within. The link that I earlier provided in post #32 explains how one member did that replacement, which is not going to be an easy task.

    2. If you are not going to replace the relay/fuse box, you at least need to get a suitable cover for the existing box to prevent further corrosion damage. Contact autobeyours.com to see if that vendor can sell you a relay/fuse box cover.

    3. I suggest that you need to remove each fuse and relay in the relay/fuse box, one at a time, to inspect the socket below each part. Use electrical contact spray cleaner to clean off any corrosion that you find. Use an ohmmeter to measure continuity of each fuse before replacing it.

    4. Regarding the traction battery fan, that receives power from the 10A BATT FAN fuse and the Battery Fan Relay. The fan speed is controlled by the battery blower motor controller and the traction battery ECU.

    5. You need to obtain Mini VCI (which runs on a Windows XP or Windows 7, 32 bit OS laptop) because that will allow you to retrieve DTC that your car has logged. Since five DTC were reported by your dealer, you should not expect that your car only has one problem. You'll also need to subscribe to techinfo.toyota.com to obtain access to the factory repair manual and electrical wiring diagram for your model year. This will help you to interpret the logged DTC and figure out what to do about them.

    6. I hope you didn't pay much for this used Prius when you bought it last year, because electrical problems can be very difficult and costly to find and repair. Good luck.
     
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    Here is another thread from Prius expert Paul Guzyk that discusses a blownfusible link with a close up pic.
    How to change Fusible link under hood | PriusChat

    Paul provided part number, a source and pricing.

    The last post in the thread tells how one user temporarily bypassed the fusible link. Yipes! Would it work. I suppose. Kinda dangerous? Yes.