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Brakes jerky and unreliable - Help!

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Heather (2004 Prius), Jul 23, 2014.

  1. Heather (2004 Prius)

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    Hello, I am hoping to hear any theories about what might be wrong with my 2004 Prius (123,000 miles).

    For the second time in a month, while driving, the brakes have suddenly gone funny (for lack of a better word). When I first apply the brakes to slow the car, it initially does not respond, then, as I continue to gradually depress the brake pedal, the car will begin to jerk as if I am slamming on the brakes repeatedly.

    Just before this symptom begins, the brake system warning lights and master warning light come on.

    The first time this happened, I took it to a shop (not Toyota-specific) and they found that my floor mat had slid forward and folded and was under the brake pedal touching the wires. When they removed the floor mat, the problem went away. I threw out the floor mat and have been driving without one.

    Today, the same thing happened again, with nothing obstructing the brake pedal.

    I live in an area where the closest Toyota service station is an hour away, and I hesitate to drive the car that distance without good brakes. But I'm also reluctant to take it back to a service station that does not specialize in Priuses.

    Any ideas or advice?

    Thanks!
     
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    There are many reasons why the brake system can fail as you experienced. It has to do with either the hybrid system not allowing regenerative braking, or something in the brake electronics has failed. Since it is very intermittent, I tend to think it is the former. That means, since it is summer, maybe something is overheating. First thing is to check in the inverter coolant reservoir while the car is in Ready mode, and look for turbulence in the coolant, indicating that the pump is working. If not, Toyota will replace the inverter coolant pump under recall.

    Otherwise, check the 12V battery to make sure it is good. Here is one way to do that:
    Entering Maintenance Mode (aka 12V Battery Check) without Switching Headlights ON/OFF | PriusChat

    Check that all fluids are topped off.

    Beyond that, you will need to get the codes read. Please post your general location in order to get better help, possibly from an independent tech. And it has nothing to do with floor mats, I assure you.
     
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    Thanks for your help. I am in the Bedford, PA / Cumberland, MD area.

    Not sure if this is relevant, but I did have the heat on max heat when it happened -- I do this sometimes to help dry my hair on my way in to work (despite it being summer). May have been the same situation the first time, but I'm not sure. The problem did not go away when I started the car after having it off for four hours.
     
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    Also, when I took it into the shop the last time, they did read the codes and do some tests. Here are my notes from that report:
    They said something about high and low voltage and asked if my battery had been jump started or weak lately (it hadn't). They load tested my battery and said it passed. And they found a code for a stop lamp switch, located behind the brake pedal, assocated with the electrical portion -- which I interpreted as being the reason why my brake warning lights frequently go on for no reason when the car is running fine. I was told it would be $250 to fix that issue, and I decieded not to, based on my guess that this only relates to the warnign lights going on without cause.
     
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    I would start by fixing what is known as a problem. $250 seems too steep though!
     
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    perhaps the wires were damaged from the floor mat and are shorting. i would go back to the same shoppe and ask them to look at them. didn't you get the floor mat recall?
     
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    That brake switch can be important, as it can cause the car to not start. If it can't detect the brake pedal being pushed, the car will not go into Ready mode by pushing the power button once.

    If you can go back to where you had the codes read, and list the actual numbers here, that would help.
     
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    Thanks everyone for your advice. I ended up driving it an hour to a Toyota service station and they found that there was a bent pin on the switch that activates the regenerative braking when the brake pedal is pushed -- so it was relying only on the emergency brakes to stop. They replaced that for $280 (mostly labor) and all seems to be working fine now. That may have been what the first shop was trying to tell me and I may have misunderstood.
     
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    Glad to know it was resolved. Perhaps it was that floor mat after all? There was a lot of media chatter a while back about "unintended acceleration" and Toyota responded by tacking the floor mat down. There was doubt about this whole scenario and its cause and effect, and it has more or less faded away. But no mention was ever made about braking.

    Maybe your mat got wedged in somehow to cause that bent part.
     
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    Yes, that seems like the most likely explanation to me, as well. I was aware of the floor mat recall but had decided to keep mine in anyway (until this happened)!