Leaf to get 186 miles of range

oh-oh

 

New look and much more EV mileage? Couldn't ask for much more. By 2016, 186 mile EV range won't sound so great.

 

i hope you're right, maybe pip will be 100 miles.

 

(Humor) Speak for yourself. An 186 mile EV range will sound great to me in 2016 and beyond.

 

It's a British source. So the figures are on their test cycle. The current Leaf gets 120 miles on the NEDC. So on the EPA we are looking at 100 to 120 miles. If the same price, that is still a good improvement.

 

buzzkill.

 

Both BMW and Nissan have targetted 300 km in nedc (186). Nissan also quizzed american users about paying more for 150 mile (I assume epa) range. I would think the price would go up, but it needn't go up all that much.

Next Generation of Nissan LEAF Visualized

 

The original Leaf's real world (it's been out now for 3 years - on a good day - from full to nearing empty), you get about 76 miles of range. But just 3 years later, in "warmer" climates (Nissan calls a meer 80 degrees "warm") you've lost at LEAST 15% range capacity in ADDITION to the pack simply aging, so NOW you're only able to get 64 miles of range, or less.

Jump to this new model? Nissan refusing to use active (liquid) thermal battery temperature management, like ford does .... you're STILL killing your traction pack's range due to high temps. So ... instead of loosing a dozen miles minimum off the smaller Leaf pack, your range would naturally loose the same percentage off a larger pack. So instead of loosing 12 miles ... your traction pack (in 3 years of 80 degree or hotter summer driving) has lost 18-20 miles of capacity at a minimum. So - which is better ... big packs that die premature deaths from wimpy temp management? ... or a smaller pack that lasts longer because it's temps are better managed.

The up side of cheep thermal manage ... you get a cheep - more affordable EV.
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you just pushed me back into the hybrid camp.

 

Don't get me wrong .... I'm sure that many thousands of Leaf'rs are perfectly fine with the product as is - warts & all, including me - despite the fact that the company out right lied to their customers about range ... and to this day, many sales people still lie about range. Hey - you give me something in writing that says 100 miles instead of 70's-ish under MANY conditions ...



I'm going to take your word. Lie about it ... just watch how long it takes to ever believe a thing you ever say.
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If the Leaf is about the same price as the Model E (or within ballpark), guess where I am going?

Let me see, FF car with no TMS/BMS. Or FR car (I hope, since Musk talked about the 3 Series) with TMS/BMS with maybe 200 miles range, and a lot faster.

 

understood. i have to have 100 miles minimum, in any conditions, to go pure ev. so, i'm thinking 140 advertised. plus, i want battery longevity. (or a cheap lease)

 

If it's barely 100 miles easily susceptible to range degradation ... which then forces you to use quick charging more frequently just to get to where you used to be able to get to ... and you're warned that frequently QC'ing will accelerate (passive thermal managed) battery range ... at that Junction you realize you're feeling like you've been mislead.

 

yep.

 

Move somewhere cool? When Arizona owners complained about degrading packs, Nissan's response was "30% loss of capacity in three years is normal & expected" for lithium chemistry. They also stated the battery would never drop lower than 30% loss.

No EV should be sold with less than 200 miles (EPA). Not if carmakers are serious about replacing gasoline cars.

 

PiP 4th gen probably 15 Mile EV or real world 20

NS4 probably 50 mile EV and real world 60 NS4 = Chevy Volt competitor

 

Any updates on this actually coming to market?

 

Better packaging will help, but a 50% increase in range is going to require a 36 kWh pack. That is a big pack.

 

...would think Nissan would be approaching 200,000 units sold in U.S. and potential loss of $7500 Fed subsidy by the time the new Leaf comes out. Does the Fed subsidy just stop or does it scale down to 50% after 200,000?