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2002 Prius lost all Master keys

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  1. primuspaul

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    I have a 2002 Prius, but it came with only the Valey key. As far as I am aware, the only solutions are the following:

    1. Copy the Valet key at Lowes. ~$80.

    2. Buy an immobilizer with a master key, such as this: 01 02 03 Prius ECU Immobilizer with All Locks and Key 89780 47010 89709 47030 | eBay

    Then you just change the chip to the left of the steering column and use existing close door/turn key procedures to program new transponder keys. You can even keep the old mechanical locks by holding the eBay transponder key near the ECU and using a transponder-less mechanical key (that fits the original locks) to perform the key-turn functions. Car won't be able to tell you're using two keys because the key transponder and mechanical key, even OEM brand new, are totally separate and function separately, even thought you use them together to start the car. - < $200.

    I'm just wondering if the second method would work.

    Is there another way?
     
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    Second method works fine. Whether you program a key as master or sub is also independent of whether the key is mechanically cut as normal or valet, so if your own key that fits happens to be the valet cut, you can program the car to recognize it as a master if you want.

    For the parts of the door/key dance that require the eBay key, wrap foil around your own key's transponder head and use it in the lock cylinder while the eBay key sits somewhere in transponder range. For the parts that use the key being programmed, move the eBay key out of range and take the foil off your own key.

    -Chap

    P.S.

    For anybody who has both their master and valet keys, I would love to see comparative photos showing the difference in cut. I only got master keys with my car and I'd really like to know how to cut a key that won't open the trunk.

    If you're worried about somebody copying your key from the photo, you could take comparative photos, identify the part of the cut that's different, and use GIMP or photoshop to blur the rest....
     
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    I bought a key on ebay and had Walmart cut the key for FREE and programmed it myself from directions online. No problems.
    TomK
     
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    Hi Tom,

    Did you do that without having any working master key to start with? I think that's what the OP was getting at.

    -Chap
     
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    Nope, I had a working master that was bent and cracked but worried me.
    I should have clarified that I was giving information AFTER he gets his valey key to work somehow what he could do to move forward.
    Just thinking, maybe a better question would have been HOW and WHY did he end up with the car with only a valey key?
    TomK
     
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    Eh, I ended up with a car with two masters and no valet. Previous owners don't keep everything, and they might not always know the difference.

    His valet key probably works fine right now for driving the car. The catch is that, as a valet key, it is normally programmed as a sub key in the immobilizer, which means it can't be used for the programming of additional keys, as you were able to do because you had a master.

    The OP officially needs an immobilizer change, or to look into whether an immobilizer reflash/reset service is available for Gen 1 (which may well be equal effort to just replacing the thing, and possibly no cheaper if there's one on eBay for $150).

    Hmm ... I don't know whether immobilizer reset is a feature accessible in the professional/locksmith version of Techstream, and I definitely don't know whether it's in the pirate Techstream versions being sold with MiniVCIs. I sort of hope not, but that rarely stops anybody.

    -Chap
     
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    Immobilizer reset? Not sure that such a feature is even available for the Gen 1. Toyota initially wanted about $100-$200 for master keys, but then called and said it could only be done with an ECU replacement costing ~$1,000. If they can't do it, I doubt it's available in Techstream for Gen 1. The closest utility I saw was for an immobilizer initialization after replacing HV battery. Actual immobilizer cannot even be accessed directly for diagnostics (not supported).

    As for the Valet and Master key mechanical difference, I believe my car came with the original Valet key. Mechanically, it could not open the trunk and it was grey (not black). I took it to Lowes to get a transponder key copy. The key I got back can start the car. I was also surprised to learn that the key could open the trunk (as well as all other locks in the car), unlike the Valet key I used to make the copy. Strange, huh? I quickly made a copy (regular key, no transponder) of the Lowes key just so I had a backup copy of the key that could mechanically open all car locks.

    I guess I see no reason at this point to get an ECU replacement. For $150 and some installation I can make it so it's easier to register new keys, but for that amount of money I can just copy the Valet key twice. With two keys, I can just keep OEM one at home and copy it if I lose the Lowes key.

    But I've never lost a car key, so I see no reason to fear. The only downside is that the Lowes key is an ILCO which has a replaceable battery which is a royal pain in the nice person to replace due to the key being so hard to open. It literally took my an hour to open it (just to see how it's done). I keep a spare battery in the glove box just in case I am stranded.
     
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    By buying it used. Original owner could not be contacted, if he even had the key (doubtful).
     
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    There are locksmiths who can do an immobilizer reset. They basically copy the memory of a new immobilizer into yours. Expensive, but a lot less that replacing the entire unit.
     
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    Really? They do it for less than $150? The lowest prices I saw were for around $400.
     
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    I'm piggybacking onto this discussion. I just bought a pair of uncut 4C keys from eBay that are en route, however I didn't read all the fine print. The listing is claiming that onboard programming doesn't work for these keys with the Gen 1 Prius and to take them to a locksmith/dealer. Any reason these particular keys wouldn't work, or do you think the seller just isn't familiar with the onboard programming process? Thanks.
     
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    I don't believe the 2002 Prius even has a Techstream utility for key programming. Looks like they just have to use the open/close door procedure. Make sure you get the right key (with dimple or without). I say, just wait for the key, cut it, and try to program it. How much is cutting a key? $2? Just make sure you get the right type of key (with or without dimple) and that you use a master key for the first steps of the procedure, not a valet key.

    My thinking is, if Techtream does not have a key programming function, then what good is it to take it to the dealer? Their only advantage over you is Techstream.
     
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    Yeah, I'm good on the key type (no dimple), and I have a master key. I don't think it's going to be a problem regardless of what the listing said.
     
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    Yep. Try to get it installed like that. Otherwise try a locksmith or mechanic and see if he can install it on this car. Toyota charges a bit much for something like this. Depending on how much you want an OEM key, it may be cheaper, failing conventional "adding new key," to get a copy at Lowes or Home Depot. They should charge about $80 or less. Then you'll have a copy of the master key and you can keep the OEM master key at home in case you lose the copy. Before you buy the key, ask to see it and see if it has a replaceable battery. This is not ideal, but may be the best they can offer. A replaceable battery means it can run out of power and you can be stranded, unless you have a spare battery for the key with you.

    AFAIK, the OEM Toyota transponder keys have RF-based chips that get power from the transmitted in the car and never need battery replacement. Not so for the "contains replaceable battery" aftermarket keys.
     
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    Please allow me to clarify what is going on with chips and programming procedures on Prius:

    1. 2000-2003 Keys can be added, if you currently have a master key. A master is one that will produce NO flashing of the immobilizer light when introduced to the ignition by either turning a key or passing a swipe, depending on two your model is so equipped. A valet key will illuminate the theft light for about a half to three quarters of a second, then extinguish. Valet keys can not be use to initiate adding keys. If all keys are lost, the system can be reset, but it requires removal of the ECU to service. Once done, you will have master keys once again. This is far less expensive than replacing the ECU or trusting EBAY as your solution to all things cheap.

    Alternatives include copying and cloning the Valet key.... beware of cheap clone keys at hardware stores... they fall apart ( snap together design is weak ) and they do not use a quality read/write chip. They use an emulator that is not close to as reliable as the proper RFID chip found in original keys. a JMA TPX chip is somewhere in between these cheap clone keys and an RFID chip.... those are the ones we use, if cloning is the only solution the client will tolerate. We cut the key blade to code as well, something the hardware store can not do.

    2. 2004+ Now things are easier.... on cars 2004 an newer, we use a scan tool to do programming, immobilizer reset and other functions via OBDII port.

    Beware of cheap DIY diagnostic tools, dongles, devices that are being dumped online. Some work, some do not... many are pirated technology that is so old, you will trip off the dash like a Christmas tree...requiring someone like me with a LEGITIMATE scan tool to reset and get things working right. One can roll the dice to satisfy a desire to find a cheap solution, but it is very risky, can be very expensive, and it is supporting theft of technology, albeit OUT OF DATE technology. My scan tools are updated monthly. Little improvements and fixes are alway being added to deal with and overcome artifacts found in cars over the years, as well as to deal with FIRMWARE UPDATES found in vehicles.
     
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    Plan C is to acquire a previously-enjoyed immobilizer on ebay, and then send THAT immobilizer to any of the 3 or 4 ebay-listed locksmiths that show up when you do an ebay search for "Toyota reflash". Provide the necessary information, plus $, to the locksmith, and a week later you can have an immobilizer plus a number of working master keys for your car. Replase the immobilizer ECU in your vehicle, test, and you are set. Total cost is half (or less) that of purchase of a blank immobilizer plus keyset from Toyota.

    Necessary information to the locksmith is stuff like VIN, evidence of registration, and evidence that you are who you are (usually a driver's license), plus the mechanical key cut code.

    The advantage to this system is IF the reflash is unsuccessful, you can restore the original immobilizer ECU to the car, and you can still drive it whilst the replacement issue gets sorted out.

    The tricky bit is to find your mechanical key cut code, which is supposed to be somewhere inside the door on or around the lock mechanism, OR you can bring your registration and license and VIN to a Toyota dealer and they can look up the key code for you.
     
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    Just so nobody reading this runs into terminology confusion, for Gen 1 there are two terms in play here, "sub key" and "valet key". The "valet" term only refers to the shape of the cuts in the metal key: a valet key will start the car, but not open the trunk.

    The "sub" term only refers to the registration of the key to the car: a sub key will light the theft light for a moment, then extinguish, and a sub key can't be used to register other keys.

    They're confusable but different things: when new, the car came with two black keys and a gray one, and the gray one was both cut as a valet and registered as a sub. But you can register any key whichever way you want; you could re-register the gray one so it could also be used to register keys, or you could re-register one of the black ones as a sub so it couldn't. (Doing that to both of your black ones would suggest a lack of foresight, though....)

    -Chap
     
  18. 3prongpaul

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    If anyone loses all keys on Gen1, I usually have Gen1 Immobilizer modules with matching master key and ignition cylinder sets for sale. Current price $160 delivered. Install parts yourself then car will drive.
     
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    still available? I’m putt 2 gen 1’s together butcannot overcome the immobilized despite changing all the correct hardware
     
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    Switched all pertinent hardware from a my 2001 (blown engine) to 2003 but immobilizer still engaged(?!). I don’t understand why. Will this fix it?