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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by PriusEnt, Aug 26, 2014.

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    I will be traveling from Oklahoma City to Vancouver next week with my 2007 Prius and I was wondering what I need to be watching out for. So far the car seems to be in a good condition. It hasn't been giving me any major problems for more than 10k miles since I purchased it 4 months ago with 100k miles on it (not actual mileage). No lights, noises, and shakes. Got brand new tires (Yokohama Avid Ascend) with alignment check which came out good. 12v battery seems to be in a normal range (11.9v to 12.0v with the load on the battery and 12.3v to 12.5v without). Both coolant reservoirs are full and pink (I actually replaced coolant control valve right after purchase). Brake fluid looks like canola oil. Brake pads all in green range. And ultimately, the car runs smooth with 45 MPG with full AC in 90-100 degree heat in Oklahoma City and 50+ without.

    Yet I've recently noticed that it consumed about 2 qts of oil since last service which was done about 3 months and 6k miles ago at the dealer. I told the dealer to put in 4 qts (of Mobil 1 full synthetic "15k warranty" one) and when I recently checked the dipstick was barely picking up oil at the end of it. So I'm assuming about 1 qt every 3k miles. I instantly added 1 qt leftover from last service to have it over the lower dot and am constantly checking the level. So far the levels have been constant for more than 500 miles. But I'm still not sure if it is ready for a long road trip.

    Another thing that I'm skeptical about the car is the fact that the odometer has been rolled back from high mileage. I checked with the dealer to get the service record of the vehicle and last major service was done about 2 years ago with 240k miles on it. Here is a picture of the latest record:

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    I knew about the odometer discrepancy when I bought the vehicle but I did not expect such a high mileage. And I have no idea which high mileage maintenance services have been done on it. The record does mention "APPLIES TO 5K 25K 35K 55K 65K 85K 95K 115K FACTORY RECOMMENDED MILEAGE SERVICES" but does not mention anything beyond 115K except major breakdown/repair at 240k. I was mainly worried about trans service, spark plugs, PVC valve and serpentine belt and also throttle body and mass air flow sensor. Both dealer and the former Toyota mechanic who changed my coolant control valve mentioned that the inverter seemed like it was replaced, so I'm not too worried about the inverter flush as of now.

    I don't have a lot of time before the trip and I kind of wanted to save the services mentioned above for later. But at the same time I don't want to damage my car either.

    So what do you guys think? Do you think my car is ready for 3k+ trip as it is now? If not what services and check-ups do you guys recommend that are absolutely mandatory before a 3k+ road trip?

    Any input will be greatly appreciated!
     
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    Sorry I'm confused about exactly what you did or didn't know. Are you saying that the seller informed you that the odo reading was not the true mileage, but they didn't tell you exactly what was the true mileage. Is that correct?

    BTW. Even if the mileage was only 100k, you still need to check the oil more often than every 6k miles
     
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    Yes. That is correct.

    And yes again, I've learned to check the oil more often especially on high mileage vehicle. I'm actually quite lucky that I found about it before the triangle light.
     
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    welcome to priuschat! google all the toyota dealers along the route in case of emergency, and join triple A. have a great trip, vancouver should be lovely this time of year!(y)
     
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    Thanks for great tip! I can see that there are more than enough dealers on the way that I could stop by if I run into any problems!
     
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    (1) Don't assume the dealer got the oil level right, always check shortly after service. This way you will know how much it really consumes.
    (2) What does "15k warranty" mean? How does that change Toyota's recommended oil change interval, which I thought was still just 5k for this car. If correct, I'd change oil again before this trip.
     
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    I knew about the odometer discrepancy when I bought the vehicle but I did not expect such a high mileage. And I have no idea which high mileage maintenance services have been done on it. The record does mention "APPLIES TO 5K 25K 35K 55K 65K 85K 95K 115K FACTORY RECOMMENDED MILEAGE SERVICES" but does not mention anything beyond 115K except major breakdown/repair at 240k. I was mainly worried about trans service, spark plugs, PVC valve and serpentine belt and also throttle body and mass air flow sensor. Both dealer and the former Toyota mechanic who changed my coolant control valve mentioned that the inverter seemed like it was replaced, so I'm not too worried about the inverter flush as of now.

    I don't have a lot of time before the trip and I kind of wanted to save the services mentioned above for later. But at the same time I don't want to damage my car either.

    So what do you guys think? Do you think my car is ready for 3k+ trip as it is now? If not what services and check-ups do you guys recommend that are absolutely mandatory before a 3k+ road trip?

    Any input will be greatly appreciated![/QUOTE]

    Seems like you did not have a mechanic look over the car before purchase?

    Perhaps you can find a dependable Prius mechanic to look over your car now and comment on the "trans service, spark plugs, PVC valve and serpentine belt and also throttle body and mass air flow sensor." Should definitely cost less than $100 and maybe that could be applied to any repair cost.

    In my case, during such check up, the mechanic found a cracked belt, old plugs, leaking struts, etc. You may not want to drive 3k w/ such a belt but some other stuff you can wait on.

    If Fuzzy1 is correct, you may want to do an oil change. Take advantage of the dealership's oil change specials, these usually incl. a 30-point or 50 point inspection. It may not be as detailed as a pre-purchase check up but better than not knowing.

    BON VOYAGE :barefoot:
     
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    I just got an oil change from the dealer and they told me that front crankshaft seal and water pump was leaking. I did notice that my coolant level was a bit lower than 3 months and 6k miles ago (which was when I got the coolant control valve changed) but it wasn't too noticeable (I thought it was just the air in the system). Only way to replace these parts within two days is to get it fixed at the dealer for $700+ which I really don't want. I see that the water pump only goes for about $45 and crankshaft seal for about $20 on Amazon. Could I wait out on these replacements as long as I check the fluid levels during the trip?

    Also is it normal to see only 2 bars (purple) on HV battery monitor when idling in Ready mode?

    Thanks a bunch!
     
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    The water pump seepage is a fairly common issue. The guys probably would have noticed a bit of pink crusting around the water pump pulley shaft. If you're getting a noticeable drop of coolant level in the reservoir then you definitely should get it fixed. You could try just getting a litre or so of the SLCC (coolant) and measure how much top off it needs over a period of time. If it's really slow then you could probably delay the water pump replacement for a while, but you'd definitely want to keep your eye on it. Remember to also check the level in the actual radiator fairly often too.
    The crankshaft seal will be oil seepage rather than coolant. This might account for some of the 2qts you lost over the last 6k miles. If the car was previously using conventional oil then the M1 might have accelerated this a bit. You could try a high mileage oil and just monitor this for a while if you want. But again you'd have to be careful to keep an eye on it. Try placing some paper under the front of the car where you park it at home and see if you get any noticeable dripping of oil in that area.
    The cost of a crankshaft seal replacement is almost entirely labour.
    It depends on the conditions, but yes it can happen. Most commonly this is when you're stopped with the engine off and the aircon running.
     
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    Just got a new Optima battery installed from AdvanceAutoParts. Yet voltage was reading only about 11.9v (without load on the battery/one button press), 11.5v (with load on the battery/two button presses), and 13.7v (on Ready mode). This is all very low for a new battery. I think my old battery even pulled out better numbers than this. Is it fairly normal to run into new batteries that are drained a bit? Numbers increased as I constantly checked while I was driving around the city and the top voltage without load on the battery was 12.5v (but strangely Ready mode voltage stayed the same at 13.7v and 13.3v with AC on). I wasn't very impressed though as my older battery pulled 12.5v once as well not too long ago. I just check again after it has been off for about 2 hours and I'm getting around 12.2v. This is all not too different from my old battery and I am kind of disappointed on this $200 purchase (had no time wait for shipment from Amazon). I was expecting more like 12.6v+, 12.2v+, and 14v+ for a new battery. Should I return the item or ask for a replacement if I don't see the numbers increase as I use the car more often?

    I also was wanted to get the spark plugs changed tomorrow and the dealer is charging me $70. Is this a fair price? And what other maintenance services go with spark plugs? Would I save some money/time if I do valve cover gasket and PCV valve along with it?

    Thanks and sorry if I don't make a lot of sense. I'm piled up with things to prepare before the trip.
     
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    I believe Advance auto made the decision not to carry the Optima battery quite a few months ago. You probably got stuck with their old stock. It should be ok for your trip to have this battery but I would definitely return it and get a refund. You can buy a fresh battery at Toyota parts department for around the $200 you spent.

    Spark plugs for $70 is really cheap, the parts are about $10 each.

    The gasket you need is not the valve cover gasket, I believe it's the gasket that goes on the timing chain cover. Get a quote on how much it would cost. combining it with the spark plug service would not save you any money as they have no relation. Leaving the gasket til after your trip would be ideal.
     
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    Thank you for your input! And I'm sorry I forgot to mention that was the dealers price with my parts.

    AdvanceAutoParts took my old battery (something about core item?). What happens to the batteries they take back? Would they give it back to me when I return the item?
     
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    It would be best if you call the shop and tell them you intend to return the battery because it's registering 11.9volts and it should not be lower than 12.5 volts per Optima. Hopefully they'll still have your old battery.

    A fully charged battery should be 12.8 to 12.9 volts. A brand new battery should not be under 12.5volts when you get it because it can sulfate and get permanently damaged and offer a shorter life span..
     
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    I wouldn't have bothered changing it at this point.

    The optima sounds like it's been sitting too long, though it will probably get a descent charge and those voltages improve while on the road trip.
     
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    … Unless it has already been damaged by sulphating. If it were me, I wouldn't risk the potential of a damaged battery that will more than likely have a shortened lifespan.

    I second JC's advice, definitely return this one and get your old battery back, if you can. Failing that get a new battery that, out of the box, measures at least 12.9-13.2 V.

    For your reference, my new AGM battery measured 13.1 V out of the box. If my battery is reading 12.5 V (or less), I consider it to be 50% (or more) discharged and will charge it up over night with my CTEK MXS 5.0 smart charger to ensure it stays in top condition.
     
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    I read somewhere here the odometer only goes up to 299,999 miles? Then I'm not sure, goes back to zero? So maybe if your's is showing 100,000 on the odo it's in fact 400,000?

    If the car's sounding/running fine, just bring a couple of bottles of your preferred oil, a funnel and a rag, all in a secure plastic bag.
     
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    How many more Optima batteries are we going to read about that come with a low state of charge, and how many are there being fitted to other makes of cars or from people that do not frequent motoring forums that we do not hear about. The numbers must be high.
    Although I have admittedly never been an Optima fan mainly because of the ludicrous prices charged for them in the UK. Can there now be any justification in recommending these batteries when there are many better more reliable, and higher capacity options available.

    John (Britprius)
     
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    The battery is really a hit or a miss. I have one now (warranty replacement) that's great. I've deep cycle the thing at least 10 times and it is still holding at 12.8 volts. The first one that I returned would not hold charge
     
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    I wonder where member OptimaJim has gone?

    This was his signature line, but he hasn't posted here since June 6th:
    "Jim McIlvaine, eCare Manager, OPTIMA Batteries"