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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by yes.ittransforms, Aug 31, 2014.

  1. yes.ittransforms

    yes.ittransforms 100K!!!!

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    Hello all,

    I was checking the mileage i wrote on my air filter and was checking to see if my belt is still in good shape (recently replaced) and it let me to a interesting discovery, and 3 questions.

    In the pictures below, what component is leaking, and what is it leaking?

    Does the prius only have 1 belt that needs replacing, that runs all components?

    When the recall happened for the invterter coolant pump, they had to change the inverter coolant right? So when do I have to worry about changing it again (recall was at 48,888mi)?



    I am at 98.8K and would like to get this addressed quickly. Plan was to get oil, engine coolant, alignment, and tire rotate and balance at 100K. Hopefully this is all that needs to be done still.

    Thank You all!
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    Water pump is leaking. Typical of the Gen II. Ours did it too. Probably have a little stripe underneath the hood on the insulation also which looks like it runs from the front of the car towards the windshield. Get the water pump changed, and have the coolant replenished and or replaced. Don't forget to bleed the system to get the air out.

    Don't be surprised if the overflow bottle is still full. A lot of times the radiator will be low, but the bottle be full. Remove the splash guard over the radiator and check the fluid level under the cap when the ICE is cold. Should look like the picture below when it is full.

    Rad Fluid 2.JPG

    Yes, just one belt. Gen III has no belts on her.

    Also remember the Prius has two (2) separate coolant loops. One for the inverter, and one for the ICE. Just because they changed the inverter pump does not mean they changed the fluid. They are supposed to, but some dealers simply pinch off the hoses with vise grips, then slip the new pump in, and just top off the fluid and bleed if necessary. When they did ours, I requested the fluid to be changed. I could tell they did, because the color was nice and pink. A lot cleaner than what was in there before the work was done.

    Best of luck to you,
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  3. Patrick Wong

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    1. The engine coolant pump is leaking pink Toyota Super Long Life Coolant, and that should be replaced now.
    2. Yes, the serpentine drive belt drives the engine coolant pump. That is the only accessory which is mechanically driven.
    3. The inverter coolant may or may not have been replaced. Either way, it should be replaced now or when the odometer hits 100K miles. This is because the change interval for Toyota SLLC is at 50K mile intervals, after the factory fill has been replaced. The factory fill change interval is at 100K miles.
     
  4. yes.ittransforms

    yes.ittransforms 100K!!!!

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    ok thanks to all for your inputs, very helpful. Now I have a follow up question. When my inverter coolant pump was changed at 48,888mi, weather the coolant was changed or just topped off when I hit 100K it would be both the 50K replacment window, or the 100K initial replacement window (run on sentence I know) so that has to be done. I will check my coolant today, and make sure I am ok for driving until Thursday (day off).

    it does not seem to mention the inverter coolant loop in the maintenance schedule (just says engine coolant)?

    So here is my breakdown of my 100K maintenance. Oil, Inverter and ICE coolant change, water pump, rotate and balance, alignment, air filters. is there anything you all think I am missing?

    How do you all feel about a non-toyota mechanic changing the water pump, is there specific Toyota concerns?

    Thanks again for all your input. It is very helpful.
     
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    yes.ittransforms 100K!!!!

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    Now I wonder why toyota did not catch this during there routine 5K oil changes? You would think they would love a actual reason to get more of my money. Based on how much coolant is dried up and caked on the inside of the wheel, looks like it has been leaking for a while. Oh well, just glad i caught it.

    Also, if I need to fill the coolant, what do I fill it with, and to what point?

    Thanks Again
     
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    you're right, a lot of dealers recommend pump change at the first sign of coolant, whether it needs it or not.
     
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    Nothing particularly special about changing the ICE's water pump. They just need to get the coolant loop bled after the change. There are some example of both the water pump, serp. belt and coolant bleeding done on YouTube so you can see what you are in for.
     
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    Here is my thread about how to replace the engine coolant pump. The pump replacement itself is not particularly difficult.

    The difficulty comes during replacing the engine coolant and getting all air out of the cylinder head, cabin heater core, and the coolant heat recovery system. You'd be surprised how many people have trouble with that, even dealer techs who don't bother to run the engine enough to get all air out of the system. There are many PriusChat posts to that effect if you do a search. My link below will lead to another link which explains what is required to get air out of the engine coolant system.
    How to replace engine coolant pump and thermostat | PriusChat

    The Toyota maintenance schedule requires that the engine coolant and the inverter coolant should both be replaced at 100K miles, then at 50K mile intervals beyond that.

    Replace the serpentine drive belt when the engine coolant pump is replaced.

    Has the transaxle ATF been replaced in the last 60K miles? If not that should be done now. Also, you could add PCV valve replacement to the list of maintenance activities.

    If you need to add coolant to get the car to your dealer, just use water. I assume that the ambient temperature is well above freezing point in your area (in fact your high temps are probably 100 degrees F right now) and the coolant will be drained and replaced as soon as the car is worked on. Check the radiator itself, not just the overflow container. The radiator should be full to the top of the neck and the overflow container has a full mark on it.
     
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    Thanks for your reply, given the amount of free time I have I think I will have Toyota take care of these items. As for the PCV valve replacement, how involved is that, and why is it required? I have also read tons of posts in the trans fluid change, I do not see it on the main schedule, so I am not going to change that (seen to many failures right after a change). Thank you for the idea of water to get me through, i used that in my old truck and wasn't sure if its OK on the prius.
     
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    Thank you for your post Patrick, the water idea is what I used in my old truck, glad to hear it is ok for the Prius. Also as for the transmission fluid change I have read LOTS of posts about weather to change it or not. It is not stated in the maintenance schedule to change it, so im leaving that one alone. As for the PCV valve, what does it do, and how hard is it to DIY it?

    Thanks again Prius Chaters!
     
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    Thank you for your input, I will check those levels and put water in it to get me by. As far as the trans fluid, i think after much research I will leave that alone, seen lots of failures after a change, and it is not in the schedule as needing to be changed. What does the PCV valve do and why should I replace it at 100K? and is it a easy DIY job? Thanks again all Prius Chaters!
     
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    The transaxle ATF needs to be replaced and it is an easy DIY job - easier than the PCV valve. There are no Prius failures reported after a change and there is no reason for a failure to occur if this is done correctly.

    It is true that the transaxle ATF replacement is not in the maintenance schedule, but does Toyota really care that much about the longevity of your drivetrain beyond 120K miles? You can see plenty of posts here from owners who are surprised at how dark the transaxle ATF is, when they drain it out and look at the used fluid in the drain pan. If you look at the used transaxle ATF analysis reports, they will show plenty of Si, Fe and Cu content in the used oil, evidence of dirt and gear wear and perhaps some erosion of the motor generator stator windings.

    The PCV valve is hiding under the engine wiring harness that runs over the valve cover. Why is replacement required? Because the PCV valve gets coated by HC deposits from the engine crankcase which flow through the valve into the intake manifold.
     
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    changing the trans fluid should just be a drain/fill process right? do you have any posts saved on how to do this one? I cant find any. I would tackle the coolants myself, but time is at a premium and bleeding the air with all the other components in the car make me nervous. Thanks for all your help.
     
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    You are right, drain/fill.

    You will need 4 quarts of Toyota ATF WS and two aluminum washers for the drain and fill plugs, which you can source from your Toyota dealer. Regarding tools, you will need a 24 mm (or 15/16") socket and a 10 mm hex key socket, the associated ratchet wrench and cheater bar, and ideally a torque wrench so you can tighten to 29 ft.-lb. You also need a plastic funnel with a 3 ft. long tail and two jackstands (I use a long black plastic transmission oil funnel with a supplemental hose at the bottom, secured with black electrical tape.)

    Raise up the front of the car with jackstands and look at the transaxle case. The transaxle ATF drain plug has a 10 mm hex indentation (do not confuse with the inverter/transaxle coolant drain plug which has a 24 mm hex head.) The transaxle ATF fill plug has a 24 mm hex head, on the side of the transaxle case which faces forward, towards the radiator.

    Loosen and remove the fill plug first. Then loosen and remove the drain plug and drain the used fluid into a suitable container for recycling. Wipe off the magnetic tip on the drain plug and install a new aluminum gasket. After all used fluid is drained out, replace the drain plug and tighten to 29 ft.-lb.

    Position the plastic funnel near the inverter and let the tail drop down. Get under the car and insert the tail into the fill hole. Pour the 4 quarts of ATF WS into the funnel and hence, into the transaxle. The capacity of the transaxle is 3.9 quarts so fill until the new fluid starts to drip out of the fill hole. Remove the funnel, install a new aluminum washer on the fill plug, and replace the fill plug, tightening to 29 ft.-lb. Lower the car and you are done.
     
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    yes.ittransforms 100K!!!!

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    Now that sounds like something I can do. I used to do all my own maintenance, but there is something scary about these newer cars for me. Thanks for saving me 120 bucks!

    I wonder if anyone else will weigh in on the change or not to change debate??
     
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    I did the transaxle fluid drain/fill last week. This is what the old fluid looked like at 37k miles:

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    By many accounts, this is typical of the first change. Then the service interval can be extended to 60k miles thereafter.

    SCH-I535
     
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    CHANGE!

    There shouldn't be any debate, especially if you can do it yourself. The ATF WS fluid will cost about $40. New is reddish in color. I'll betcha your near-100k fluid will be black.

    Dare you to pour some of it on a couple coffee filter or such and see how much grime is actually there.

    Regardless of the car, I've always changed the trannie fluid. What's there to debate? Clean fluid to circulate through and lubricate a very expensive system. Same concept as an oil or coolant or brake fluid change.

    Cheap maintenance. Cheap insurance.

    RE: PCV replacement. PC member Writes123 and I just exchanged notes on it.
    Just bought a 2009 prius with 100k miles. What are your best tips? | PriusChat

    Enjoy the ride after she's all clean!!!
     
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    In the interest of not causing a rebellion on Prius Chat I will change my own ATF and post pictures of 100K "lifetime" fluid ASAP!!! All of your inputs has been a astounding help to me. Thank you Wong and other experienced members. I have looked up over 8 certified toyota synergy drive mechanics in my area and will call tomorrow for quotes. at 120K it will be time for plugs and a PCV replacement. I am sure my bought new 2007 will appreciate the early birthday present as she is getting all cleaned up at 98K instead of the promised 100K. I look forward to may 100K's to come, and with your guidance I am sure it will happen!