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P0A80 - Is my HV battery f*cked?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Technical Discussion' started by Lam, Sep 18, 2014.

  1. Lam

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    Hello all, some of you may remember my write-up on how to remove a transaxle on this forum. Since then the car has worked beautifully until I lost it in the divorce. Since then I picked up a Gen 2 with 271k which works astonishingly well, and I recently picked up a 2004 Gen 2 with a blown head gasket and what I think is a toast battery to revive to life (Hey, it was $1000 bucks, couldn't say no).

    The project car had a tire blow out on the highway which then shredded all the wires on the driver side. They were a little hazy with the details, but from what I understand it was repaired and was on the road for a while. A neglected coolant leak then lead to the demise of the head gasket and they towed it and let it sit since.

    When I first picked it up it gave me a code P3190, which i'm not worry about at this time as i'm replacing the engine currently. It also kicked a P0A80 code, which is an HV battery failure.

    What I am worried about is that it went into "ready" before it went on the tow truck, with plumes of coolant steam coming out the tailpipe as the engine ran while it slowly rod knocks itself to death. The accessory battery was struggling with a low charge so I put it on the charger over night.

    Now it won't return a P0A80 code, or go into ready mode anymore. It just flashes all the dash lights along with the Red Triangle of Death and the MFD just says "Problem." I put it up on Torque and looked at the HV block voltages:

    1: 14.7
    2: 14.6
    3: 14.7
    4: 14.5
    5: 13.2 <-- :(
    6: 14.4
    7: 14.4
    8: 14.2 (Maybe bad???)
    9: 12.5 <-- :(
    10: 14.2 (Maybe bad???)
    11: 14.5
    12: 14.5
    13: 14.5
    14: 13.5 <-- :(

    I was debating of replacing the dead cells and rebalancing the entire HV pack. Do you all think that this pack is beyond saving?

    I'm going to replace the engine first with a nice boneyard unit and then figure out the battery issue. But I was really hoping to fully know what is going on with the battery as rebalancing can take a lot of unmanned time while I work on the engine issue. Anyone know what things will not allow for the car to enter "ready" mode? I've reset the ECU and cleared the codes multiple times, It won't even try.

    If I get the engine running to actually charge the HV battery, would the battery balance itself out?
     
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    replace the 5 suspected modules and rebalance......sounds like a good plan. 5 modules will cost about $200. I think it's worth saving.
     
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    What is the acceptable tolerance in terms of voltage variation?
     
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    Has this car been sitting for a long time?

    I'm not sure what the acceptable variation would be, when I took mine apart, it was only off by .1 volt on all the blocks. I did read somewhere the minimum voltage on a module shouldn't be below 7.2 volts. You seem to be pretty close to the minimum on your pack.
     
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    From what I understand it sat for months.

    Also, I checked it out on my working Prius and its within 0.1V of each other.
     
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    "What is the acceptable tolerance in terms of voltage variation?"

    0.2V between module pairs.

    How many miles on that car?

    I agree that it would be worth a shot to replace the five modules.
     
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    Definitely worth saving! I wouldn't let it sit for to long though. Iv'e rebuilt some salvage batteries (which is sorta what you have) and they normally had 2 or 3 failed modules when I got them and that was just from sitting 2-3 months. It looks to me like you have 3 maybe 4 bad modules. Block 9 could be 1 or 2, block 8 and 10 will come back but you should make those first priority before they self discharge to polarity reversal.
     
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    I think we may have seen that particular Prius here previously. See this thread: 10k in damages from a blown tire? | PriusChat
     
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    The maximum voltage variation is 0.2 volts for a pair of modules, but closer is better. The Prius monitors them as pairs not as single units, and is why when assembling a battery we put pairs together to keep them in line with all the other pairs.

    John (Britprius)
     
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    So I removed the battery and there is corrosion across the terminals. Is it common for P0A80 codes to come about from corrosion after the corrosion is cleaned? Or are cells pretty much toast and the entire battery needs to be replaced?
     
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    P0A80 is logged because you have at least five module pairs whose voltage is lower than they should be. I thought you were going to identify and replace the five bad modules to see what happens.
     
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    So I took apart the HV battery and measured all the voltages. Input? Should I stay the course of rebuilding?

    Cell Voltage
    1 - 6.2
    2 - 7.4
    3 - 7.39
    4 - 7.26
    5 - 7.28
    6 - 7.33
    7 - 7.29
    8 - 7.33
    9 - 7.21
    10 - 7.15
    11 - 5.92
    12 - 6.98

    13 - 7.21
    14 - 7.22
    15 - 7.27
    16 - 7.21
    17 - 7.26
    18 - 7.29
    19 - 6.13
    20 - 7.24
    21 - 7.27
    22 - 7.4
    23 - 7.37
    24 - 7.39
    25 - 7.38
    26 - 7.39
    27 - 7.42
    28 - 7.43
     
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    Before even buying the modules, I just was wondering if the corrosion is the cause for problem. Now having taken it apart, it looks like the cells are, in fact, toast.
     
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    How many miles are on the odometer?

    I think there is still hope for your battery if you replace the obviously bad four modules, but if you want to replace the entire battery, that will probably be a better long-term solution.
     
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    I think the situation is that the corrosion is an effect, rather than a cause. There can be a little external corrosion, but under the fasteners there can still be a good connection. However, if the cells overheat, they can vent a little electrolyte, which will increase the corrosion. As the cells age the internal resistance goes up, and that causes more heating, and the eventual failure of the cell.
     
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    137k. The car is a salvage title
     
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    Wow! Uart is probably right! That guy had 137k miles as well.
     
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    Although, the two situations are very similar, i'm not sure if its the same car. The car has been in AZ/NM for most of its life and the previous owner said that the problem happened just outside Albuquerque. Also, the car is a 2004 and the car in the post is a 2005. Though the problems are similar, if not identical.