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prius phv world wide sales

Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by austingreen, Oct 30, 2014.

  1. austingreen

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    Originally Toyota planned to sell 60,,000 phvs/year. 40,000 in Japan and 20,000 in Europe and the US combined.
    Worldwide Toyota Prius Plug-In Sales On The Graphs
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    As you can see sales in Japan in 2012 were dispointing, and only got worse likely selling less than 12% of projection in 2013 and 2014.. Sales in the US and Europe are not that far behind oritginal expectations. 16,000 versus 20,000 in 2012, but toyota did not roll out the prius phv to other states as planned, if they had they might have beat the US + EU projections.

    The replacement has been delayed until the end of 2016. There is ample time to put out a much better replacement, that is better tuned to the market. The small battery was based on the Japanese driving cycle which is shorter and slower than europe and north america. GM's new battery chemistry takes up about 20% less volume for the same capacity of its battery designed 5 years ago. The price for capacity has also dropped a great deal. The leaf and outlander phv outsell the prius phv in japan, so japanese customers are also willing to pay more for more battery capacity.
     
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    Amazing numbers....:censored:
     
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    i love the first posters reply in the article.:confused:
     
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    my favorite comment to the article - the 2nd one - where they make multiple excuses why the gen II PIP is delayed compared to how fast the Volt improvements are being made. The author fails to account for why the Volt improvements keep chugging along despite GM's bankruptcy ... the early/multiple fiascos with fires ... etc. Excuses - You can always find an alibi if that's what you need. did it never occur to that guy that maybe the PIP is overpriced in Japan? Or - did it never occur that if the PIP was as heavily discounted with subsidies the way they plan on doing their hydrogen car - that it would sell like hotcakes? Evidently the PiP is not toyotas' priority ... maybe not even their 3rd or 4th priority IMO. Hoping I'm wrong - fearing I'm not.
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    i think pip was a response to priuschat.:) i hope they aren't regretting it, i really don't see a viable competitor yet.
     
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    Most people are clueless how a PLUG-IN HYBRID works.

    The misunderstandings are so abundant, there is little benefit of expanding the market until first dealing with that. In fact, that could have a negative impact. Knowing there is upcoming confusion on the way and such low oil prices, long-term gain requiring short-term delay makes sense.
     
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    It's too bad they didn't roll them out in other states. Potential sales are there. It's a fantastically efficient car and works for families unlike a lot of other PHEVs that suffer from comprimised cargo volume.
     
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    There is an inverter, emergency power, option on the Prius PHV. It just never came here to just 14 states.
    I don't think the Prius is rated to tow anywhere.
     
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    Several folks I know STILL think a prius needs to be plugged in to work. So going by your logic, Toyota should have never tried to expand sales of the 2nd or 3rd gen.
     
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    [sarcasm]Absolutely, because obviously the best way to educate consumers is to not make your product available in their market![/sarcasm]:whistle:
     
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    i wonder how much 37 more states would add to sales, seeing that such a large percent is cali anyway.
     
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    Is that being unfamiliar with recent posts on this topic or just quoting out of context? Either way, the topic has been beaten to death.

    The pattern of avoiding rollouts from other automakers should be obvious at this point.

    That is correct.

    When there's an upgrade on the way, investing in the older model can be both a waste of resources and counter-productive.
     
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    Who thought a couple years ago that Chevy would still be in the Volt business and making advances towards a much better ver. 2.0? And they're proud and vocal about it to boot. With Toyota telling us the PiP ver. 2 is still a couple years out, I'm having further doubts whether Toyota is serious enough about the PiP and might just be waiting it out that extra year to decide its fate.
     
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    Sadly most don't even understand how a hybrid even works.
     
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    Toyota Sells 65,000 Prius Plug-In Hybrids

    It's more impressive when you consider that in the US the PiP is normally only available in 15 states. I wonder how much higher that number would be if they rolled it out nationwide.

    Of course the Toyota big wigs will look at it and say "see, no one wants plug-ins!" Well yeah, no one wants a product they don't know exists, or isn't available to them.
     
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    The statement was actually about electric-only vehicles in the current market.

    It doesn't surprise me at all that has already mutated into a misunderstanding being spread around. Trying to point out to others last week that would happen fell on deaf ears... even though we've seen it happen before.

    I clearly remember a presentation Toyota made about lithium batteries a number of years ago. Cost was sighted as the reason for not embracing them. Almost immediately afterward, some started claiming the reason was fire concern. Even though that clearly wasn't what had actually been said, many people believed it. And still all these years later, the reason of cost still doesn't get recognized by some.

    It's greenwashing at its best. When incorrect information is innocently shared without anyone taking the time to verify that it is accurate.

    Eventually most people will end up seeing the difference. Sadly though, some will believe the change they see was the result of a decision change, having no idea they had incorrect information all along. Oh well.
     
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    proud and vocal is sop for gm, not out of the ordinary. inscrutable is toyota's way, the #1 automaker in the world.
     
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    Ironically, GM just conveyed a similar message, yet none have made a big deal about that:

    "We will not offer varying battery sizes for the next-generation Volt but we will provide more EV range. Specifics will be released in January."

    [Does Chevrolet have any plans to offer variations (aka models) within the Volt lineup?] "no plans at this time."

    [Is there gonna be 2 kind of volt? one will more Electric miles that the other?] "We have only plans for one Volt."

    In other words, no one is asking for a high-efficiency vehicle from them without a plug or a model choice that's more affordable.
     
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