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2005 Prius wont start and horn sounds continuously

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by pkducky, May 4, 2013.

  1. pkducky

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    A little background. My 12v battery has been going out and jumping has become more common. I ordered an Optima battery and went though the process of replacing it today. I went to tackle the task. The Optima battery posts were too large and I couldn't find adapters so I bought one one from the dealer. When I came home, I had to jump it again to open the hatchback as the original 12v battery was out of the car. Of course, after several successful jump starts, THIS TIME I reversed the cables. When I turned on the little jump box, the horn went off when alerted me to the issue so I turned it off. I had a reverse polarity issue for about 10 seconds. An eternity in electrical time. I crawled back and opened the hatchback from within put the new battery in. Once everything was in and I attached the negative post, the horn started going off and wouldn't stop. To assist in troubleshooting while not harassing my neighbors, I pulled out the horn fuse. While trying to start the car, the engine seems to turn on for a few seconds and dies. The dash is useless and the start button blinks red. While the new battery is from Toyota, it is as wide as the Optima and wider from the original. Its in, but its a 'make it fit' situation.

    Any ideas out there on what is wrong? Should I plan on towing it in the morning to the dealer to undo my handy work?
    Thanks for any suggestions, I am hoping its a low cost repair.
     
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    welcome! reverse polarity can be hazardous to your health. take it to the dealer and pray that you don't need a new inverter. if you do, look around for someone who can install a used one from a junk yard or off of ebay. all the best!(y)
     
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    welcome! reverse polarity can be hazardous to your health. take it to the dealer and pray that you don't need a new inverter. if you do, look around for someone who can install a used one from a junk yard or off of ebay. all the best!(y)
     
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    How is the new battery you put in? Is it fully charged? If not, give it a good charge before trying anything else.
     
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    I bought it home from the dealer and installed it. Of course, the one I purchased from Amazon is unreturnable because its HazMat. Anyone looking for a brand new Optima Batteries 8071-167 D51 YellowTop Dual Purpose Battery?
     
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    ^^^
    That Optima battery (as long as the terminals are on the correct sides) is likely usable in a Prius w/install kit (new + terminal and new - cable).
     
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    I doubt that it's anything to do with your reversing the polarity. I just had the exact same problem happen to me, but the issue started completely on its own without touching the car - at 11:30 at night. Neighbors must have loved it. Unlike you, I could not figure out where the heck the horn fuse was. Anyway, the only thing that I thought had happened was that the 12V battery had died. The interior lights had been getting more and more dim, power windows were slow to roll up, sometimes I'd have to jump start the car if it sat for a week or so. So I figured it was time to change the battery. I bought a new one, put it in, and as I plugged in the larger white connector above the 12V battery, the horn again started going off and all the other same symptoms. I'm stumped. Would sure love to know if you've resolved this problem or not, and what it was. Thanks!
     
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    I had to get the car up and running in order to get to work. So I had it towed to the local dealer. After two days I had it up and running. Issue turned out to be a fusible link and three fuses. Not sure which ones, I checked all the fuses and none looked bad. Final repair bill, $80 in parts - not counting the two 12 volt batteries (anyone need a new, un used Optima battery?) and $400 in dealer labor.
     
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    Well, after an hour or two of research on the web, removing the two front horns, and starting to think this was going to be a large bill from the dealership, I put enough clues together and figured it out. Simple. Page 46 of the manual: "If the auxiliary battery becomes discharged due to the vehicle being unused for a long time, etc., when the battery is recharged or replaced, the system will sound the alarm. If this happens, immediately stop the alarm."

    Duh. The last thing you'd think to do - simply turn off the alarm by unlocking the doors with the FOB. I guess what originally happened is that my prior battery weakened to the point where it would electrically "hover" right at the voltage threshold where the system thought the auxiliary battery was being reconnected over and over, and so the alarm would go off for no apparent reason. Obviously, replacing the auxiliary battery would cause the same problem one more time, but now that I've simply turned off the alarm and have a fresh battery, it shouldn't happen again for years. I've also read this can be caused by a stuck panic button on the FOB, or a bad FOB sending a false panic signal, or electrical interference from external sources.
     
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    One more postscript: When I started the car after replacing the battery, the hybrid system warning light came on. I read on another thread that this happens any time you mess with the wiring. Power the car on and off three times, and the problem goes away.
     
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    I've had the same problem on my 2002 Prius.
    Only after finding this thread did I finally get around it. Just to reconfirm, when turning on my jumper battery (that's connected to my 12V battery) I repeatedly pressed the unlock button on my remote and finally the horn no longer sounded.

    Strange, as during previous jumps, I didn't run into the horn issue but it seemed to suddenly happen every time. Thanks everybody!
     
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    This string is common among problems that CAN be experienced when changing the 12 volt battery in the Prius.

    1. Understand that the 12 volt battery OEM battery comes in two flavors.

    1A. A SMALLER battery for the base model car.
    1B. A LARGER battery for the NON base model's.

    The OPTIMA batteries being sold today also come in different flavors. Be aware of this fact. The part #'s above spell out which is which. Take your time and research this fact BEFORE you order online. As stated these batteries are difficult to return due to HAZMAT rules.

    FWIW, It is easiest to simply deal with a local Toyota Parts Dept. They stock all necessary parts to swap the battery with no problems.

    If one is working with a BASE model Prius and gets the bigger battery that just won't fit correctly (sides rubbing, strap clamp on top not fitting) the correct fix is to CHANGE the TRAY that the battery sits in. Toyota DOES stock the tray. Any good parts guy at Toyota will know this fact if they are PRIUS AWARE.

    Best solution IMO. Buy OEM and get the bigger battery. Swap the tray on the base model units. By doing this you get the larger battery with the additional amp/hrs. to help it possibly have more strength and longevity.

    Also FULLY charge ANY battery you put in BEFORE you install it.

    And yes, the security system will sound off if the battery has been dead for a while. And yes, some times it takes more than one push of the power button to get everything back online.

    Just be patient, use the right parts and your 12 volt battery swaps will be non eventful.

    Also, under NO circumstances should you ever reverse the polarity on these Prius cars. It only takes a split second to do a LOT of damage. The fuses are not cheap. You can damage more than just fuses also. Plenty of posts here on PC about horror stories of bad jumps.

    Bottom line, if you need a jump - YOU need a NEW battery NOW. Don't keep jumping the car. Each jump is a risk. Sooner or later that live round will come up in the cylinder.

    Peace Everyone,
    Ron (dorunron)

    PS See my link below in my signature file on how to change the 12 volt battery. Fully documented for Gen II Prius. Gen III is easier. NO plastic vents for traction battery to move...