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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Johnny KIlo, Dec 19, 2014.

  1. Johnny KIlo

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    I was jumping my battery last week and crossed the jumper cables by accident. For some reason I associated thefuse box on the positive terminal with negative since it is black. I replaced the fusible link, charged the battery and got the car running. The 12v doesn't seem to be getting charged as I have not been able to sttrt the car without a jump since.

    Now I have the red vehicle symbol (Hybrid system warning light) and the red battery symbol (Discharge warning light) on my display and the VSC light. There are a few on the dash as well (pic attached). The 12v battery about 5V when not charging.

    I scanned the car and I getting code P2118 which means the throttle actuator is getting less than 4V, for now I am going to assume that's related to the battery issue.

    Poking around online I see the DC/DC converter inverter can go bad when the cables get crossed.

    Is my first step to just replace the 12v battery? I know 5V is extremely low but if it isn't getting charged would this be normal? The AGM batteries aren't cheap (Im assuming I need AGM, please correct me if wrong) nor are the converters. I'd prefer not to spend $200 on a battery and $300 (from what I see online) on a converter inverter if it's just one and not the other.
     

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    You likely have one or more dead cells on your 12V battery. That's why voltage is so low. If your car starts, the inverter is likely good. Do this for a test, start the car then disconnect the 12v battery. Measure the voltage at the battery cables after its disconnected. You should read about 14V. If not, your inverter is bad. If so, your battery is bad.

    Also, measure voltage at the battery after it is disconnected.

    Report your results here.
     
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  3. Johnny KIlo

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    I think it's the battery. Turned the car on and disconnected the positive terminal, couldn't quite get to the negative. I am getting 13.5V from the disconnected positive terminal to the negative terminal. I was careful to place it on the connector and not the battery post. The battery was only getting 8.5V at this time.

    Thanks!
     
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    Charging the 12 volt battery from an external charger, and check it's voltage under load from a car headlamp bulb will give an indication of it's condition.
    The OEM battery does not hold up well when it has been fully discharged. The advice from "Usnavystgc" above is good.
    You can use an ordinary flooded battery, but the downside is you are carrying more liquid acid in the rear of the car in case of an accident. A temporary 12 volt battery from a mower or another car carried in the rear of the car connected with jump leads with the OEM battery ground lead disconnected will also prove what is working.

    John (Britprius)
     
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    Well, if I'm reading your timeline correctly you were having issues with starting your Prius and the battery BEFORE the cables got crossed trying to jump it...or you wouldn't of been jumping it to start with?

    With a 2005 Prius, that in of itself would lead me to place the battery as the primary suspect.

    If it isn't a case where you replaced the battery within the past year or so, I would say almost without hesitation you probably won't be wasting any money buying a new battery, even if (lets hope not) there turns out to be other issues.

    The advised tests certainly if executed properly can't hurt. But I'd place a strong bet, replacing the battery is necessary.

    Good Luck...I hope it turns out that it is a battery replacement ONLY problem.
     
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    Definitely replace the dead battery. And count your lucky stars that you didn't fry the inverter.
     
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    John,

    Let us know where you are located so we can guide you to qualified local help if it becomes necessary.

    JeffD
     
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    8.5 volts? Severely discharged 12 volt battery with at least one dead cell. Like the other's, I too suggest you replace the 12 volt auxilliary battery. It sounds like the DC to DC converter is working perfectly due to your 13.5 volt measurement.

    A new AGM battery should measure a minimum of 12.8 volts or higher when measured at the posts with no load using a digital volt meter.

    Battery SOC Chart.jpg

    If you haven't changed that battery before, take a look at my signature file below. There is a link that explains exactly how to do the swap.

    Best of luck to you.
     
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    1. Replace the 12V battery first.
    2. See if the MFD warning icons still appear. If they do then your car has other problems.
    3. Use Mini VCI to retrieve the DTC.
     
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    I replaced the 12v and I still have all of the indicators. I have an OBDLink LX with the Torque pro app for Android and I scanned and got the P2118 again. As far as the other codes are concerned I drove the car a bit today and the HV battery was super low, 1 purple bar low. I drove around town and it was able to get it charged back almost all the way (1 bar less than full).

    Patrick,

    Is there anything the Mini VCI does that my OBDLink LX doesnt? Thanks.
     
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    I don't know what your device does.

    The Mini VCI is a Toyota Techstream clone and will provide you with essentially the same diagnostic capability and ability to monitor an extremely large number of operating parameters, as the Toyota dealer techs enjoy.

    DTC P2118 means that the throttle actuator control motor has a problem.

    Check the 10A ETCS fuse which is located in the main relay/fuse box next to the inverter. "Check" means that you use an ohmmeter to verify continuity of the fuse.

    Also, use an ohmmeter to verify the condition of the following fuses: DOME, EFI, AM2, IGN, ECU-IG, GAUGE, OBD.

    If the fuses are good, try cleaning the throttle body interior and throttle plate using the minimum amount of throttle body cleaner. The recommended procedure is to spray some cleaner on a clean cloth, and use the cloth to scrub out the throttle body interior and throttle plate. If you follow that procedure you need to remove the air cleaner housing first for access.

    If the fuses are good and the throttle body interior has been cleaned, then check the wiring harness connections to the engine ECU. The Toyota repair manual provides specific instructions about what to check. techinfo.toyota.com

    Since the root cause of the issue was a botched jumpstart, it is possible that the engine ECU was fried in that process. However that would be an unusual outcome as the engine ECU has not previously been reported as a casualty of an incorrect jumpstart.

    Once you have checked the fuses and the wiring harness connections involved, if you still have the problem then you would have to conclude the engine ECU failed given the circumstances of the jumpstart.
     
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    I am in the west suburbs of Chicago, if there is a recommended forum member/mechanic in the area that makes house calls I would be willing to pay for help with diagnosing my car. I was driving a few days ago and the car would not accelerate above ~5 MPH. I had a code on the ETCS, seemed as if the car was running only on the HV battery which quickly depleted. The car completely died in the middle of a road (luckily not a terribly busy one). Luckily it came back long enough to drive home but it's not still acting right and I have a dash full of lights

    Thanks for the continued support, Ill check the fuses this weekend for the correct resistance. I'll also clean the throttle body if needed. I also ordered a Mini VCI
     
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    you may need a trip to the dealer.
     
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    Thanks for the offer but I am not comfortable leaving my own garage at this point.
     
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    The mini vci should help get some additional data to assist in diagnosing things.
     
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    Finally got Techstream and I have a whole bunch of codes, C0200, C1241 and C1310 are all current (I assume that whats the Curr category means) on the ABS/VSC/TRAC. I also have B2775 current on the Immobiliser and B2271 and B2274 historical (again assuming on the hist category) for Power Source control.

    C0200 seems to be related to a bad speed sensor on my right front wheel. c1241/C1370 are skid control ecu. I have attached a screenshot of the error codes.

    These may not be related to the crossed cables/battery replacement. I have noticed that the car makes a lot of noise from the front right when braking until it gets "warmed up" it would

    Any advise on any of those codes is appreciated.
     

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    What is the accident history of this car (other than the failed jumpstart)?

    Prior to the 12V battery dying, what warning lights if any were on? Were there any problems evident with the car?

    Are there any DTC logged by the hybrid vehicle, traction battery, or engine ECUs?

    Exactly which warning lights appear now? Take some sharp photos and post.

    Can the car be made READY now?
    - If yes, can it be driven? Are there any driveability issues that you notice when the car is being driven?
    - If yes, measure the voltage across the 12V battery when READY. Is it ~13.8V?

    You are right about DTC C0200 pointing to the right front speed sensor. I suggest you remove the sensor and inspect its tip as well as the toothed wheel which is part of the hub assembly.

    DTC C1241 means that the skid control ECU sees low voltage from the 12V bus. Relays ABS 1 and ABS 2 are the most likely culprits - unless your car suffered accident damage to the rear of the car, damaging the wiring harness leading to the brake power supply located next to the 12V battery. Or your car suffered a rodent infestation and the wires leading to the skid control ECU (near the steering column) were damaged.

    DTC C1310 means that the skid control ECU thinks the hybrid vehicle ECU has a problem.

    DTC B2775 means that either the transponder key ECU or the Smart ECU have a problem.
     
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    For future reference to anyone who owns a Prius, I'd NEVER use the under the hood jump terminal.

    It takes a little extra work, but I'd only use a jump-box and preferably one of the newer Antigravity lithium ion XP-1 or XP-3 models, instead of the older lead acid battery based ones.

    I'd NEVER let just any ole wrecker drive jump my Prius from their unit.
     
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    Whats wrong with the underhood jump point? Been using that point to charge my battery for 7 years. That's what Toyota wants you to use and there right. Very safe...Hard to mess it up as there's a red cover on the positive jump point. Your recommending owners dig around in the hatch instead?
    99% of them wouldn't be able to get the hatch open with a dead battery anyway.