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How Are PiP Drivers Perceived

Discussion in 'Gen 1 Prius Plug-in 2012-2015' started by hill, Dec 19, 2014.

  1. hill

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    Generalizations like that generally are.
    People notice, and remember bad behavior much more than good.
    Although, the survey showing that for most CA PiP owners the primary reason for buying in was HOV Lane access may not have helped break the stereotype.
     
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    If you buy a prius or a pip, do you really care what others think of you ?
     
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    I think they're hilarious, and sort of sounds like some of us bitching about the regular ICE car owners. :LOL:
     
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    Sounds like Mwalsh (see the above link) has a pretty good impression of himself, but not of others. I wonder about the individual who would use his thoughts to determine what car they should drive. Nevertheless, I don't doubt that some would.
     
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    wow, life in cali... must be tough to live with such difficulties. hmm, where should i go for my next plastic surgery?(n)
     
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    Well, I am made fun at work for driving a Prius plug in. Guys have gone so far as to unplug the extension from the receptacle atwork. To me I don't care, I will laugh all the way to the bank. I truly beleive they are jealous because they didn't have enough foresight. They try to justify there full size truck with Diesel engine, they have power and in the same sentence bitch and complain about how much fuel costs. I am happy with our purchases and I would do it again. I am looking at the Marai fuel cell that Toyota is about to introduce into the market. I love the technology, what a great time to be alive. Don't forget about the Elio.
     
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    our area of south O.C. has the largest junction of 2 freeways - 405 & 5. The quantity of lanes where both intersect is the largest in the world . . . in the neighborhood of 22 or 23 across. Around 6am & 6pm, despite that quantity ... it's still grid lock. With a larger quantity of 'entitled' drivers in our area - it doesn't take much to set people off. It's the home of the original road rage shootings. My thought regarding the PiP thread had those dynamics as an overlay. Still - a couple of the recent PiP threads revolved around cost difference between gas & electricity, with one comment stating in effect, 'might as well not bother plugging in'. That attitude tends to make many PHEV's search out available 'free' chargers - as the only remaining way to drive cheeper. With the PiP's short charge time ... it doesn't take long before plugin-passers-by, looking for an open charger, begin to note those 'dam freeloading campers' so-to-speak ... especially in areas replete with short fuse drivers. Much easier to notice 'wrongs' going on.

    That said, I noticed a wonderfully 'right' thing ... and it happened via a BMW driver - who stats show as the most bad behaving/entitled type drivers. I'd pulled up to a DC quick charger, and the i3 driver, with only a 1/3 charge, gave it up for me. Wow! make my day.
     
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    maybe bmw ev'ers will form a new paradigm. i would never have considered a bmw, but i find the i3 intriguing.
     
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    [That said, I noticed a wonderfully 'right' thing ... and it happened via a BMW driver - who stats show as the most bad behaving/entitled type drivers. I'd pulled up to a DC quick charger, and the i3 driver, with only a 1/3 charge, gave it up for me. Wow! make my day.[/QUOTE]

    I've had the same thing happen where I was just plugging in when an i3 driver showed up. I offered to move but she said I could have the spot and parked nearby.

    Back to the thread, talk about the pot calling kettle black; Hill appears to think it's OK to hog the charging station all day even though he is fully charged. His justification was that the PIP driver had an ICE to get him home - I bet he would be screaming bloody murder if the PIP driver did that to him. That's what I call obnoxious!
     
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    love it ..... going out of the way to presume fault - even after emphasizing company policy is to not go hiking out to the parking lot to move cars during work time. Our lot is often full - all five stories. Move your car mid day (contrary to policy) & some times you'd have to drive a half mile away to the next closest six-story lot to find a parking place. Our company policy is to not have driverss hiking out to do parking lot shuffles. Ironically I was the one who, prior to evse installs, inquired as to whether we should move our cars once charged (seemed the right thing to do) yet you turned it around to read it as me being obnoxious. Great - nice deflection. Sometimes we work off site - take a company vehicle & go to other cities, etc. Are you thinking the Rav4ev driver, who (for example) can't can't get back to move their car 5hrs later should not charge at all, even if in need of 25 or 30kWh's, and company policy says that's the plan? Or is it just bothersome that I found it smirk-worthy when a frustrated PiP driver couldn't get his 3kWh's because he chooses not to show up as early as me, nor does he want to pay the extra 22ยข charging off site at a more expensive location. Not saying I haven't had my share of obnoxious moments, or stupid ones, or lazy or prideful or hypocritical or thick skulled moments - or as is the case here - wrongfully judgmental. That's the long winded way to say sorry, I think you misread the point .
     
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    With pay per charge this won't be such an issue. PIPs won't want to pay for a charge and generally won't use those charging stations. Neither will BEVs that are just looking for a free top off. This is exactly why people need to buy the right sized battery for their needs and NOT rely on free charging.
     
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    I agree, for all public chargers.
    For workplace chargers, the employer should be free to have whatever type of policies best fits their needs.

    Hill's employer sounds like an outlier with very special needs.
    It sounds like they could have better met their employees needs by installing a bunch of level 1 chargers for plugin hybrids (<40 mile range) and some level two chargers for those that need more than 40 miles of range.
     
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    it will all be fixed when we have 600 mile batteries and 5 minute recharges.;)
     
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    I'm looking forward to it!

    But, I'm willing to suffer with a mere 400 mile battery and 15 minute charging in the meantime. Heck, I'm willing to bear the burden of 250 mile batteries and 30 minute charging. I guess I'm a little desperate. :)
     
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    I don't think a 600 mile battery pack will sell very much.
    I would far rather have a 300 mile range with half the battery weight and cost.
    Actually, 200 miles would be my preference at less than a third the cost and weight.

    How many miles do you need when you wake up every morning with a full 'tank'?

    It will be a marketing hook, as lots of people that don't know better probably THINK they need that kind of range. Some do, I'm guessing that 75% of first time EV buyers that buy one will regret the purchase of such a large battery and their next EV will be a 300 mile or less EV.
     
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    you'll take the 600 miles and like it. if it's the same cost and performance as a gasser.;) you keep forgetting, you're not the guy we're trying to sell an ev to.:)
     
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    Why would I compromise? I'm happy with a 265 mile range with as good cost and better performance than a gasser;)
     
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    you're easy, it's joe and jane six pack that needs convincing.
     
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    Well at least you didn't call me "cheap"!:ROFLMAO:

    You are right though. Price parity has been reached at the luxury end of the scale but needs to get closer, without subsidies, at the economy end of the scale. The performance aspect is easy due to the behavior of electric motors.
    The range/price is the biggie.