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06 Prius not starting, low battery?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by cardana24, Oct 12, 2014.

  1. JC91006

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    It could use a charge but i don't think it's the cause of your no start. you need to get a multimeter to get a true reading of the battery.
     
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    Multi meter shows 11.7 at the batter under no load. It just came off the charger 2 days ago
     
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    Charge it up again. 11.7 is very low. If it's less than 11 volts under load, you'll have issues. But still i don't think that's your cause
     
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    certainly, those are bad numbers. test it after a few hours of nothing on so there's no surface charge. the fob cannot lose programming. maybe your slot has failed. but all kine o bad things can happen if your 12v is bad.
     
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    Battery is on the charger now. I'll check it in a little bit
     
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    be careful of the charger you use, too high amperage can destroy that wee battery.
     
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    Im not sure but if you unplug 12V for 10min it will be enough. Taking service plug out may confuse it so reset by unplugging 12V after service plug has been off (it only should be problem if you tried to start it with service plug out).
     
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    I just took the battery off of the charger and it was reading a steady 12.4 volts, but no change. I disconnected the battery and I will leave it that way over night to see if that resets anything. The key is still not being recognized when put in the slot and the car still will not start even when using the key as a smart key. Could a low h/v battery cause the car not to start?

    It's odd to me that the car started (ICE cranked and I was able to shift into Drive) earlier this evening and now it will not even attempt to start. Earlier today I soldered in a new plug for my transmission sensor closest to the firewall (I smashed it when putting the new trans in), once I finished that I put the inverter back in. Once the inverter was bolted down and plugged in, I tried starting the car...and it started on the second push of the power button. So I made sure it was not a fluke and I started it one more time...again it started on the second push of the power button. So once I saw it start twice I put wipers back on, and lowered the car from the jack stands...and now it wont start.
     
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    of course. the hv battery spins the ice. you can get a grid charger at the priuschat shoppe.;) and before you hook up the 12v in the morning, check it again to make sure the voltage hasn't dropped. if it's still 12.4, you should be good to go.
     
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    I assume that your logged DTC are P0A3F, P0A40 or P0A41. This means there is a problem with the transaxle, the hybrid vehicle ECU, or the wiring harness between the two. Since you mentioned that you had damaged a wiring harness connector, make sure that your repair is perfect.

    You will need to use an ohmmeter to verify that the wiring harness is good, and test the motor resolver sensor. If that sensor is bad then you will have to replace the transaxle (again).

    If both turn out to be good then the hybrid vehicle ECU will need to be replaced. See techinfo.toyota.com for factory repair manual info including details about how to troubleshoot this.

    12.4V is a poor result for a freshly charged 12V battery. It should be at 13V or slightly higher. Plan to replace that battery soon - although that is not the cause of the logged DTC.

    How long did the engine run? Are you sure that it actually started (vs. having MG1 just spin the engine without it starting)? One way to prove the engine started is that its speed will respond to accelerator pedal input.
     
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    So this morning the battery showed 12.32 volts this morning. I am still getting the same no start condition, and I scanned the ecu again with my OBDII scanner and it is still showing the same three codes (P0A3F, P0A40, and P0A41)...this was with the battery being unplugged overnight, so they are not going away. I also tried to erase the codes with my scanner and the car dinged at me and the display screen said "problem".

    What is the motor resolver sensor?

    Yes the engine ran, I heard it start up and exhaust was coming out of the tail pipe. The first time I started it it ran until the engine turned off (~10 seconds or so), I shifted it into drive while the front end was lifted on jack stands just to make sure it would work and the Prius went into drive and the wheels started turning, so I hit the brakes to stop the wheels from spinning and put the car back in park, after I did that I turned the car off. Then I started it one more time to make sure it was not a fluke, and the car started again...this time it only ran for about 5 seconds...so I turned the car back off and took it off of jack stands, and put the wipers back on, because I assumed it was ready for a test drive...and now the car will not start.

    *edit* also, before I repaired the harness going to the sensor on the trans by the fire wall, I tried starting the car without that sensor plugged in...not sure if these codes are a result of me trying to start the car with out that sensor plugged in. Also, not sure if this is worth mentioning that I also tried starting the car several days ago with out the service plug locked into place...not sure it that would mess with anything or not.
     
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    The resolver sensor is used by the hybrid vehicle ECU to determine how fast MG2 is spinning and in what direction. It has two detection coils which each will output a sine wave signal whose frequency is directly proportional to the MG2 rotational speed. A similar sensor exists to report MG1 rotational speed and direction.

    If the voltage output from the two coils is out of the correct range, or if an open/short circuit is detected, a fault code will be logged. Since you have all three fault codes, I would suspect a wiring harness problem.
     
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    Thanks for the reply, but I sti don't know where the resolver sensor is located. Can you point me in that direction so I can narrow down the area I am looking at? Thanks for the help so far
     
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    Get a digital multimeter, and check the 12 volt's voltage with the engine off. If it's still showing 11.7 volts, that's not good. A decent shape battery would show at least 12.5, 12.6 would be better.

    In the interm, try running the power windows down/up on battery only. How do they perform? If really sluggish, that's a sign your 12 volts in bad shape.
     
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    1. The two sensors are buried within the transaxle. One is for MG1 and the other is for MG2.
    2. If you plan to DIY troubleshoot this further, then it is time for you to subscribe to techinfo.toyota.com so that you can get the pinouts of the wiring harness connectors that you need to verify have continuity.
     
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    I think I know which sensors they are I was just hoping someone more familiar with this could point me in right direction. I think the two sensors that you are talking about are the two that are on the lower portion of the trans facing the radiator when installed in the vehicle. When swapping my new trans in the junkyard had cut the MG1 and 2 cables so I had to swap those over. In order to do this I had to remove the rear trans cover, and when put the cover back on the sensor closest to the diverside fender well had very little slack. I did not think anything of it until now, maybe that harness could have ripped when the car started?

    *edit* I am curious too, even if that sensor was not working would that stop the car from trying to start? Anyone know?
     
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    If the hybrid vehicle ECU does not know the rotational speed of MG1 and/or MG2, I am sure that would constitute a major issue which would cause the hybrid vehicle ECU not to allow an engine start. MG1 has to rotate in the correct direction and speed for the engine to start while MG2 remains motionless.
     
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    Do any of the warning lights on the dash indicate that the hybrid ecu is causing the car not to start?

    I plan on pulling the sensors out on the radiator side of the trans (I think those are the sensors you are talking about) to see if the wiring is still intact.

    Does anyone want to do me a favor? If so please unplug one of ^^ those two sensors at a time and see if you can replicate the problem I am having. Thanks in advance if anyone is willing to do this.
     
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    okay, I am starting to work on this again. Today I got the car to start several times while it was on jack stands. So I put the wheels back on the car and put it on the ground and it would not start again. I was having issues with the 12volt battery being low so I hooked up my jump box to it, and I was having the same issue. When I was getting ready to give up on it I tried it one more time and the car started so I put it in drive, the ICE was running fine but the car was really having trouble moving forward. I pulled just out of my garage where there is a slight incline and the car would not go any further. It just sat there running, and not able to move forward on it's own power. So I put it in reverse and the car would not move because there was a slight lip it needed to go back across to get it in the garage. Anyway I left it in neutral and pushed it back in the garage. The dash is lit up like a Christmas tree even when the car is running. Any ideas or do I just have a bad trans??
     
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    The second I saw the position nag I knew it was the
    Resolve connector.. Its the one high up on the side you can see it when laying on the ground.
    Its problematic as it gets wet and rots out too.
    They discuss it at luscious.com

    The fact you smashed yours tells me its new trans time.
    Don't feel bad as I have Seen 2 other posts like yours so
    It must be difficult to load the trans in without catching that connector.
    Like we tell a 100 people a day without a hybrid capable decoder to read all the codes properly it will be very difficult to repair yourcar.
    Mini VCI is your best bet.
    And quit messing around and buy a battery.
    Optimal yellowtop online $169 drops right in.