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2008 Prius losing power - Need troubleshooting help.

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by SWprius08, Nov 25, 2014.

  1. SWprius08

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    I did not post the new one, the cleaner side is the top side while the dirty side is the bottom side. The new filter is much whiter then the top side and against the sunlight it did lit up however the old one did not.
     
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    gotcha. makes sense that the downstream side would look clean.
     
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    A slightly dirty filter should not cause driving issues
     
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    apparently. i think he's still diagnosing.
     
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    My 04 was starting to loose power around 300,000 miles gas milage dropped from 47mpg average to 42 and I noticed couldn't climb 4144 ft with cruise control set at 75mph a weekly climb I've done since I bought it. A few months later I replaced the traction Battery though did not see an improvement in my climbing power. I'm burning oil now so I figured it was old engine. Then while climbing to 8,900 feet on vacation the heat of my catalytic converter trying to burn that oil melted the welds of the exaust manifold. Now my Prius sounds like a Harley and the power is back. If you are burning oil, is exaust system back pressure causing a performance problem?


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    Did you clean inside the tube? That's were the MAF sensor resides. Very delicate thin wires. The sensor you cleaned outside is MAP.
     
  7. SWprius08

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    Hi Paul, I have always got the oil change done at the dealership and have never checked things myself in the past, so I rely on them letting me know if the car burned oil or not, they have never told me such, I have about 90K miles that mean it has gone to the dealership about 18 times. I just got the oil change about 400 miles ago and I noticed that the oil level is a little more then the "Max" mark on the stick, so if it did burn it might be such that it never went below the "Min" level and that is why they never told me. Anyhow is there a way to check the condition of the catalytic converter?
     
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    The same check engine light [MIL multifunction indicator bulb] as oil change time. Though your dealer would have seen the different code for catalytic converter temp sensor out of range.
    I actually don't think you have a problem. I think you are beginning to learn more about the way your Prius works. Some times it puts the power of the engine to work charging the traction battery (engine revs but doesn't push the car much) this would be the case when you had been parked with your foot on the break several minutes, battery below two bars. Then when you start out the engine would rev to 2500rpm as you depresses the accelerator combining the power of the motor and Battery but using most of the motors power to charge the battery.
    I had to change my thinking about the motors. One electrical motor is very powerful at slow speeds (it actually has to be limited by the automatic traction control) the other electric motor is powerful at higher speeds. Lastly the gasoline Engine runs most efficiently at 1500 and 2500. The Prius knows this, and uses the electric engines to fill in where the gasoline engine is not efficient. For example at low rpm the Prius uses the electric engines to turn the wheels and start the gasoline engine while it revs to 1500 efficiently and takes up more load then when you take your foot off the accelerator it takes the energy of an efficient spinning engine to charge the Traction Batteries. The accelerator pedal is connected to a computer that runs all three motors as a team.


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    That sounds a lot like you are saying that you NEVER check the oil level yourself.
    Please tell us that is not true.

    This is an important thing to do........and as your car gets older, it is MORE important.
     
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    Like most of the car users I was never a hands on car person, hence only trusted other to take care of it, since I had a brand new Hybrid 90K miles ago, I felt only the dealer to be trusted. Slowly I am realizing that even the dealers cannot be trusted blindly, even with so much extra they charge.
     
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    That is an assumption that probably is NOT true.....and is not a good excuse even if it IS true.

    As a responsible car owner, you NEED to do some basic things for yourself, like check the oil and other fluids that are easily observable just by opening the hood.......looking at the tires to be sure one isn't half flat.......checking the brake lights, turn signals and headlights occasionally.
    Maybe even taking a peek underneath every so often to be sure some part is not loose and ready to fall off.
     
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    Or else, don't be surprised if you get stuck with a major four-digit repair bill, like the engine blowing up due to lack of lubricating oil, or experiencing a no-start incident due to a failure to notice or care that the 12V battery is near death.
     
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    I am learning a lesson here, am currently watching lots of youtube videos to get an insight of what things to look for in a car. Patrick is correct my lack of involvement has already cost me to not turn on my car twice because of dying 12v battery, I was like the car was at the dealers for a service only 3500 miles ago and they did not even give me a clue? Infact I had no clue that the 12v battery in prius ever dies. So anyway regarding the original issue until now a bottle of Techron is being helpful but not sure how it would be without it when this tank is over. I have located Hybrid specialists in Santa Monica since I was not able to get in touch with Avi's Advanced. Name of this place in Santa Monica is Santa Monica Hybrid shop located on Olympic near 10 and pch. Will post an update as soon as things change.
     
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    Looks like you're taking an interest simply by being here and watching the YouTube videos you mentioned. That's a great initial step. Next, read your Owners' Manual cover to cover. When you're ready, you can pop the hood and try your first oil change. This is a learning process and you'll gain confidence as you do it. You can get as dirty as you wish, but even if you don't want to get up to your elbows in grease, certain things have to get done to your car when they're due. Like the old Fram ad said, you can pay me now or pay me later.

    Good luck
     
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    My first oil change in life is certainly the best thing I can try, thanks for the motivation.
     
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    So finally after my last tank with Lucas fuel injector cleaner finished I took my Prius to local Meineke to test the belt tensions and fuel pressure. Belt tension was fine and the fuel pressure was also found to be 48 PSI, the guy asked me the issues and did a little more diagnostics with a scanner. This is what he told me and recommended

    "Throttle Position Sensor (TPS) is reading at 18 when the pedal is not depressed. Goes up to 19-21 when fully depressed, recommend replace TPS and further diagnoses".

    The mechanic was very friendly and was telling me that he is not too familiar with whether the TPS is located in the pedal or near the throttle body. Upon doing some research I found that it is located on pedal. I tried looking the instructions to replace this in the factory service manual i.e Fuel (306-twU4h) and IGNITION (312-RPAGB) but did not find it. Does anyone know if the findings of Meineke can be concluded to the TPS being bad?

    EDITED: The mechanic also mentioned that per his scanner the fuel injectors are perfect as well (no wonder as I ran all kinds of injector cleaners for my last 7 tanks)
     
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    The throttle position sensor is located on the throttle body. Toyota Techstream should report a throttle opening of 60% or more when the throttle valve is fully opened by hand. If your local Meineke mechanic read the correct parameter then I would agree the TPS needs to be replaced.

    However this is not a recommended procedure by Toyota, which recommends the entire throttle body assembly needs to be replaced. Hence I suggest you obtain a used throttle body assembly and a new throttle body gasket, and install those parts to address the problem.

    Look at the Engine Control System section of the factory repair manual for info about the throttle body assembly.
     
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    Throttle body is almost $ 700 for new one. It would be nice if I can get a used one, however should I be looking at something while buying a used one? Is there a something that I can look for it that would tell me that it is a good one?
     
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    You noted that the throttle body was cleaned.

    Patrick, could a dirty MAF sensor cause these symptoms? Just trying to think of cheap possible solutions before breaking out the more expensive solutions.