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Adding big amp under seats. Run cable from inverter?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Accessories & Modifications' started by R-P, Jan 21, 2015.

  1. R-P

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    I have an amp under the front seat, fed by a 7Ga (10mm^2) powerwire from the battery.

    I wish to add a far larger amp under the other seat.

    The factory wiring to the battery is quite thin, so I could either replace the factory wiring and the powerwire to the amps, or, much simpler, could run a wire from the inverter (or the jump-start-bolt) to the amps and hook it up to the powerwire going to the battery.

    Anyone try the latter option?

    I have a fused distribution block that has an unfused throughput so I can hook up the front and rear powerwire before it is fed into the amps.
    The battery power wire is fused with 80A and I will fuse the 'inverter'powerwire with 80A too.

    Any thoughts?
     
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    you do realize the prius is too flimsy to be blasting with several hundred rms watts? the hatch rattles so bad if you run multiple subs that it will sound like shit, at best. if you play music so loud that it doesn't even sound good, you're just being an idiot.
     
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    While a persons choice and taste are subjective, they are still a choice. Member F8L was running 1900w in his 2005, I run 900w and many others have had success in that range off the 12vdc battery with no ill effect to vehicle or mpg. To answer your question though, you would be wise (in my opinion) to just use larger gauge fused wire from said battery. The expense of system failures on the Prius I feel are to great to experiment with for a sound system. YMMV.
     
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    Thanks!

    I have sound deadened the bootlid (gives a nice "THUMP" when closing it now) and will also do the doors and whatever keeps rattling after that.

    I mostly pretend that I am into SQ (sound quality) instead of SPL (sound pressure level), but who am I kidding... I will occasionally use whatever I have on tap...

    Which is 4x60W (Helix HXA400) right now (used as 2x60 for front and 1x200 for a sealed PG sub).
    This amp will be driving all 4 stock speakers once I will be adding a subamp (Audison LRX 1.1k/Helix P200 (whatever fits best) used as 420/450Wrms on a single LTD (500Wrms) or as 800/675Wrms on two regular 12" Aliantes (2x350Wrms), but the tray seems slightly too small to accomodate two in a fully stealth setup (sealed enclosure instead of the tray).

    Total power will probably be about 1000Wrms or less. Which with a battery upgrade to 55Ah and some common sense (not run system on full whack while lights, heated seats and rear defrost is on) should not be too excessive imho.


    Still not swayed on NOT using an extra powerwire. Like a good Internet keyboardwarrior, I will keep asking my questions until someone agrees with me... ;) :ROFLMAO:

    The major reason for wanting to add it is just the thin feed to the battery. What would I be risking if I improved on that using properly fused extra wiring?
     
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    This is the system installed in my US 2010 Prius II, which is called a 2009 in Europe I believe. For reverence, we used a single fused 4ga feeder from the 12vdc battery to a single 900w amp as illustrated. Dual fused feeds could be used as long as you stay within the limits already demonstrated and you follow proper wiring standards and practices. Hope that helps.

    frodoz Stereo Upgrade | PriusChat
     
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    Pretty thorough and neat job!!!

    Wouldn't that be a Prius III? Whenever looking for info on my Prius, I type in 2008 instead of 2009, saves me from igoring all the Prius III results... (At least in the Netherlands, Toyota sold both my Prius II and the Prius III in 2009).

    I'm running similar power to you, but my amps are all class AB, so less efficient... :(
     
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    In addition to the fact that putting an actual load on the 12 V system that exceeds 100 amps/1000 watts is likely to release the magic smoke somewhere.

    Just simply not a good idea.
     
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    Mine is a 2010 Third Generation, Level II. I have read here that at least in some parts of Europe the first Third Generation was identified as year model 2009. Clicking on your avatar indicates you have a Second Generation. Assuming the amp installed currently is the factory unit, you could/should still run your feed directly off the vehicles 12vdc battery for an additional amp, but a member more familiar with 2nd Generation would better help with system sound integration. I was very thorough with my research, but only as it pertained to my year/model. Class D amps are cooler and more efficient, so much I removed the capacitor.
     
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    F8L ran 1900w no problem and many of us now run 900-1000 watts successfully. TETO
     
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    that is a very cool system you have there Frodo, I must admit. I was picturing a giant band-pass box in the cargo area with a pair of 15" subs...
     
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    Something like this? :ROFLMAO:
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    (It's not a bandpass and only 12", but I may try to sqeeze these subs into a stealth closed enclosure that replaces the tray).
     
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    Frodoz, I did a quick calculation and assuming 7 Ga factory wiring and a 6m run, it will drop about a volt on 100A. Where I am worried about too much voltage drop 'reaching' the amp, this might actually be a good thing here (not good for the amps, but better for the Prius).
    By the time the inverter voltage sags under 13V (at the battery through voltage drop in the wiring), the AGM battery is about to start contributing. So using your proposed method of running a 4Ga from the battery is starting to make a whole lot more sense. (in practise I will probably use the 5 Ga (metric 16mm^2) I have lying around which I'll add to the 7 Ga for two separate runs, negating the need for fuses and a distribution block under the seats.)

    Thanks everyone for helping me get a (hopefully) more clearful perspective on things :)
     
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    I would reconsider your choice to eliminate fuse/s between the power supply and load, with the fuse/s placed close to the supply. Things go wrong in electronics...a short or other failure would be costly. Error on the side of safety with regards to wire the gauge as well. If your math show between, go with the larger. Circuit protection is priority. ;)

    Wish you luck.
     
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    I just struck me that having THAT much heat dissipation under a seat might NOT be a good idea.
    I suspect that the air flow would be terrible.
     
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    Not with a Class D amp. Beside you have the rear ducts right there.
     
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    that is serious overkill. just 1 JL audio 12" sub aught to fill that car with all the wonderful bass notes you would ever want. I play a 5 string bass, and I do love the low B string. to me, the most important thing is strong, flat, accurate reproduction down to 30Hz. the low B is like 30.87 Hz, so there's no need to go below 30Hz. but most of the junk out there won't even produce a decent low B, and tends to overdo it on higher notes, especially bandpass boxes which produce a sort of atonal drone. sounds like dooky to me.
     
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    Personally I think a quality sealed 10" is just right...but that was my choice.
     
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    I had 7" woofers in my '04, and they hit pretty hard, but I can't give up the cargo space or I would have to have a sub. got a 12" in my chevelle with straight through mufflers, and the 12", powered by a JL 200w amp can be heard over the exhaust, except at wot. tires get pretty loud when that happens too.
     
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    You are completely right.
    Just to clarify: I had no intention of skipping the fuse between supply and amps. But my original plan had a fuse at the inverter, a fuse at the battery, and a distribution block with two fuses under the seat.

    This will be replaced by a single 80A fuse (or possibly two) feeding both the 7Ga and the 5Ga. For my intended use, I will probably not use more than 80A (not even close) and 80A should be quite safe for 7Ga, let alone the 5Ga.

    Unlike my father in law's Renault Espace, where I tried to locate an occasionally occuring short and traced the 30A fuse to 8Ga wiring that was split into smaller ones several times up to as small as 20Ga... Still fused by only that 30A fuse. Now THAT is a firehazard...

    I do wonder how safe all those modern cars with their battery in the boot are... My Volvo has a ~2Ga run from front to back without any fuses and virtually any car with an alternator will have an unfused run from alt to battery of several feet.


    Mine are not class D... but my current amp only gets luke-warm even while pounding the sub, and the future subamp has active cooling (in case of the Audison).

    That's why I am considering giving up the tray under the bootfloor. That is mostly filled with crap (although the past few weeks I have had a retractable 8ft ladder in there :) ).
    I am a big fan of potent caraudio, but my main goal is always to use little to none of the functional bootspace. That's why I was quite disappointed that my wife didn't understand my instructions to buy this sub (I was undergoing some chemotherapy and a stemcelltransplant at that time (too bad a shape to finalize the deal myself), and I figured that was a nice present for when (and if...) I came out of the hospital :eek::D).

    The above pic of the dual 12" or my current setup (single 12"in closed enclosure) are just temporary setups that are easily removed in a few minutes (Hence the blue strap to hold it down that can be loosened in seconds).
     
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