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Introducing the 2016 Chevy Volt (2.0)

Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by F8L, Jan 12, 2015.

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    i get it. took me awhile though.:whistle:
     
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    dbcassidy Toyota Hybrid Nation, 8 Million Strong

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    How about a Honda copycat.

    DBCassidySo, with gen2 out, do we now have a well defined audience market from GM?

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    Saw a Kia Forte driving through a lot today. Good gosh it looked a lot like Volt 2.0
     
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    We're not getting the Volt/Ampera 2.0 :(
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Ampera did not sell much here in Europe. Marketing decision, as it seems to be Honda Accord dropout within a couple of years - Europe buys premium, even if it sucks euros on shop.
     
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    I do not know. Europe didn't buy the Ampera as it was priced at £38,000/€50,000/US$57,000 before the £5,000 rebate. That is just crazy for a 4 seat Astra type vehicle. Vauxhall Astra - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    There's a definite trend amongst some manufacturers (Toyota UK included) to think that PHEVs or BEVs are premium products. The Outlander and the BMWi3 can be had for £31k/£32k upwards BEFORE the £5,000 rebate (Leaf £26-£31k before £5k grant). Some difference to the Ampera.

    It never stood a chance.

    Bob, specs for the base model Outlander PHEV
    Outlander Specifications | Mitsubishi Outlander | Mitsubishi Motors UK
     
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    They said it should be around the same as gen I which is 0.28. cdA of the gen I volt is 6.7 sq ft, only about 8% higher than prius and model S at 6.2 sq ft, car and driver comparing in same wind tunnel. volt is much more slippery than the leaf or mercedes cla.

    They say that electrical mpge will increase 4%, that can easily be done with the weight drop and lower rolling resistance tires and the same drag. If drag changed significantly up or down, I would expect that number to be different. The biggest efficiency gain of the volt will be the increase of 31% in electric range from more usable kwh battery, the second from a more efficient ice.
     
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    Well it helps mask the extra cost of the PHV so they have to throw in some luxury features to show people that it's kinda/sorta worth the extra coin and that they're not paying £30,000 for a £10,000 car with batteries. The Prius was the same when it started out but the premium wasn't as large as the PHVs.
     
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    Yeah I get that. But BMW can incorporate the extra cost as can Mitsubishi, Nissan, Kia and Renault. Maybe they were a year late to the PHEV 'game', but that delay has maybe made them look more viable and competitive and less of a rip off.

    The GM/Vauxhall and PIP were both very expensive, even with our expensive prices. Both have sold a couple hundred and GM/Vauxhall are pulling out of the EV/PHEV market. Nah. They never really wanted the car to succeed. Their website always quoted the price excluding the £5k grant making the car look more expensive than it was - all other manufacturers didn't do this.

    Whatever though. There's a lot of EV/PHEV options available here and one will be my next car. I'm looking at one at the moment. It won't be a PIP nor a Volt/Ampera.
     
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    Maybe gen 4 pip? Gen 2 I mean...
     
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    Perhaps import duties kept GM and Toyota from really making an effort. At least GM seems to want the Volt to succeed here. BMW and Renault have the manufacturing in Europe to begin with, and Nissan has the investment in BEVs to build manufacturing of the Leaf within its major markets. After the bankruptcy and sales numbers, i can see why GM wouldn't want to make the investment of making the Ampera overseas at this time. Much the same can be said of Toyota, who even reneged on building the Prius in the US. Maybe if they come back to plug ins, they might do a PHV of a European built hybrid.
     
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    Import duties are 10%. That still doesn't account for them being around £7,000 to £10,000 more expensive than the other manufacturers. Mentioned previously about Prius sales being at historically low levels here, and falling, ever since Toyota increased the price from £17,500 to £22,500 upwards. I get that that is to support the home built Auris HSD, but I don' want what is effectively a Corolla hybrid. I like a car that is a little different, one that stands out.

    Tempted for a Nissan Leaf or the smaller Renault Zoe. I no longer use the car as a taxi so size doesn't matter as such and smaller is better in Europe where parking is difficult to impossible. I'd have like a PIP if they were cheaper, but I could buy a new Zoe inc the HV battery and still have £10,000 left to spend on a petrol car or taxi's.

    Update: Import duties are a red herring. Mitsubishi still pay them and their PHEV is one of the best priced, especially considering it's size.
     
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    Holden Volt is RHD!
     
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    aussie's don't seem perturbed.