Nissan Working Up 200+ Mile Version of Leaf Battery-Car

I think he is referring to the Volt with 250 miles mpg back in 2008/2009. This is before MPGe standard. So this was marketing crap to make their product sound good. This is where most of us laughed that EV has infinite mpg.

 

somewhat true - but this bad boy can claim all its own glory ... and it easily does over 100 even when peppy drivers get behind the wheel;

I've been to a couple EV events with one of the local EV drivers - Tony Williams. He put the Soul EV thru a level course at 62mph and it got over 105 miles range;
Kia Soul EV Range Autonomy Demonstration Nets More Than 100 Miles
Compare that to Leaf's gen I of 80ish miles. Can't WAIT to see what to see what the Soul EV will do when they get to Rev II.

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The event announcing it was marketing crap, but the procedure that arrived at the figure was one the EPA was considering on using. It is what the European essentially useless for their official PHV figures. The response to GM's event may have helped convince the EPA to not go that way.

 

The actual number was 230 mpg which was supposed to represent realisticly achievable combined EV plus gasoline usage in a real-world average driving pattern such commuting to work.

I just checked, and 29% of the 1532 registered Volts at VoltStats.net get at least 230 mpg.

 

230 mpg? that's fab, why would anyone buy anything else?

 

Do voltstats contain data from buyers that just get their plugin for the HOV sticker, and never bother plugging in at all? or is is based on onstar users. .... or is it a data base that contains info from registered voltstat users only ...
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voltstats probably is much more accurate than fuelly, since many more drivers register, and there is not widespread cheating as the cars reaport.

OnStar includes all the volts though and ofcourse does not do as well as voltstat. Volts and Teslas seem to sell in less geographically advantagous places (colder/hotter) than the average plug in.

 

VoltStats.net draws its data directly from OnStar but the owner of the car has to separately register their car with VoltStats and go through an OnStar authentication dance so that VoltStats receives a token they can use to prove they are authorized to access some limited efficiency data about your car.

About 27 out of 1538 registered cars drive less than 1/3 of their miles from recharging the battery. There are 5-10 cars that plugin for less than 10% of their miles.

 

GM has a site that shows the total Volt miles. Voltstats.net only has 10% of the total miles. In another word, they are self-selected data. I doubt a Volt owner that never plugs in will register on Voltstats.

 

Self selected data is a bias issue here, Fuelly, or anywhere else where the data is opt in. PPI owners that bought the car for just HOV sticker likely aren't using the PiP and MPG spreadsheet here either.

 

So, why am I thinking Nissan Leaf Concept?
Nissan Sway Concept Sets The Look For Future Small Cars—And Leaf?

 

nice.

 

the full size suicide doors are a bit cool

 

Those 20" rims with low profile tires won't make to production.

 

Uhm.. for side impact crash test it will have B-Pillars.

 

do not know, Prius 3Gen has 17 inch since 2009. A dreadful choice, but it seems to be increasingly taller in many cars...

 

They look better here than on the i3, but I'm not a fan of that design.
Stylish design doors can be impractical | BMW i3 Owner

IMHO the hyundai veloster 3 door design is better for the non-conventional. It has a coupe design on the drivers side, and a regular front and stealth rear passenger on the passenger side. I'm sure you could do the suicide thing there, a

And yes the i3 has no b-pillar suicide doors and low rolling resistance 20" tires, so nisan can definitely technically do this. I just don't think they are a good idea.

 

My G3 has 15's - as do nearly all of the G3s that I see.

If I had to purchase today...it would probably be a Volt.
I'm less than 3 miles from work and I can legally charge on both ends.

Presuming I have a little bit of time (about a year) I'd probably still stick with a Volt 1.1 next year when people are bidding up the price of the G2 Volt. Despite the sneering that it gets from some of the more tribal of the eco-chic crowd....the Volt is pretty much living up to it's billing for range and reliability.

Going out to 2-3 years the horizon is a bit murkier but I still see the V2.0 as a solid choice.

If somebody held a pistol to my head and made me chose a BEV, it would probably have to be a Leaf (for now) but there are some real-world 150-200 milers on the horizon in this category that are affordable to middle-middle class drivers.

I live in hurricane country.
A PHEV makes more sense even when (no longer 'if') BEVs scale up to a useful range.
You can plug the car to the house or the house to the car...

 

Why not a Prius PH....oh, right.

 

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Pip is a great car, but I don't need an HOV sticker.