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Engine knocking... what the dealer said!

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by kronos89, Jan 30, 2015.

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    I took my car for the engine knocking at 34xxx miles to the dealer here in NJ. They mentioned it was the EGR that was clogged, so they replaced it. 2 weeks after that, the same incident happened whenever it wasn't allowed to warm up. This time the dealer diagnosed it with having a hole in piston #1? has anybody heard this before. To make the story short, i received my car 2 days ago with a brand new engine from toyota. I tried to re-create the same issue, and it would not happen. Could this be resolved once and for all.

    Prius chat buddies, what do you think?
     
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    Engine swap? that it is a job with a lot of revenue for the Stealership :sneaky:
     
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    Yea man, the paper said they changed the block part# 1140037140 plus head sub-assy.cyl # 1110139725, plus the oil pan
     
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    it will start again. The knocking is coming from water in the cylinders. That is the moisture from the intake manifold and the EGR radiator. The colder the weather the more frequent this knocking will come back..

    They are saying that the block was cracked ? Did the car had white smoke and was it "eating" the coolant ?
     
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    Nope, absolutely no smoke. Coolant looked at normal level all the time. the only thing that was different was that on every incident there was a strong smell of gas. Like if it was bad gas.

    What they said: Exhaust valve stem in #1 cylinder is broken causing interference with piston. #1 piston has hole in it. Replaced short block/ cylinder head and valves.
     
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    wow, how many miles on her? i doubt they could slip that past toyota if it weren't true. too bad you din't get to see it. will be interesting to see if you get the cold start knock, maybe that blew a hole in the piston? i don't know how a car could run smoothly with a bad piston.
     
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    I think that when your OEM warranty runs out you need to find an independent wrench to work on your car.

    IIRC?
    Joisey is a CARB state, FWIW.

    Good Luck!

    PS.....did they find a hole in the piston when they did the motorectomy???? I'm curious what the mother ship says about this...... ;)
     
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    I think obviously an entire "engine swap" should at least temporarily fix your problem. Assuming there is nothing wrong with this engine, you shouldn't have the same problem...right away...

    My concern is "What caused a plugged EGR valve and a "Piston Hole" to manifest in only 34,000 miles on your original engine? Shouldn't really have that type of failure that quickly.

    If there is some underlying cause that led your original engine to this premature failure, and that hasn't been discovered or addressed, you could be a mere 34,000 miles or less from a similar failure.

    I suppose it is possible, you just had an engine with a problem or flaw entirely of it's own. BUT..I'd want this confirmed as much as it could possibly be confirmed.

    Did the dealership offer any explanation or theory as to why a relatively new Prius engine would develop that type of catastrophic total replacement failure so quickly?
     
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    Question for the OP: Did the engine knock for only several seconds after a cold start, or was it knocking continuously as long as the engine was running?

    Another question: If the knocking was continuous, did you experience the temporary cold start knocking first?

    What I have in mind is that the exhaust valve may have stuck open, and then get hit by the piston, resulting in catastrophic damage.
     
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    You have until 36000 to get the extended, on the forum you'll find the person in northers Massachusetts that offers the extended at a reasonable price, I'd be very nervous without one with that ice.
     
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    IDK to be honest, it surprised me too, the car ran perfect other than the incidents whenever i didn't let it warm up.

    They didn't give me a whole explanation. They pretty much said sorry for the inconvenience lol. On another note, i purchased an extended warranty through my car insurance for up to 100k or 7 years back when i had 15k.
     
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    they didn't give you a hole explanation?:p strange that a car with a hole in the piston could run fine, makes you wonder. but i don't know anything about engines, and i'm thinking a big hole, maybe it was a pinhole. i wonder how they diagnose it?
     
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    This is exactly what i asked them. You know what they said? you maybe going to a bad gas station!! "you should stick to only 1 gas station" lol i started cracking up, and told them so i need only stick to one gas station? i told them i travel all the time, how would expect me to do this?

    I honestly don't believe their explanation of the perforated piston. The car ran smooth and didn't see a drop in mpg's or anything
     
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    I's just be happy things were handled. This is not a common issue with the Prius version of the 1.8L.
     
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    have you started it and shut it down yet, to see what would happen the next day?
     
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    The engine knocked for a few seconds after start up then it would smooth out. I believe this incident started to happen back when i had 10k or so, i would get freaked out and shut the engine off in the middle of the knocking, then try starting it again without any issues. I honestly don't know much about engines, but if the exhaust valve may have stuck open, there would have been a code or something no?

    Frodoz, i am happy for the outcome, its a brand new engine after all. However, they gave me a year with unlimited miles on this new engine, and i am honestly considering purchasing an extra entended warranty from toyota. Sort of like a back up for the back up lol. I love this car and the thought of trading it in hasn't even crossed my mind.

    I did it try to recreate the issue and it didn't happen. But then again the new engine probably had 50 miles if so. I wouldn't expect this to happen for another 10k (y)
     
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    that's interesting, i didn't realize it doesn't happen from new. i wonder what changes?
     
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    i don't understand, if that was the case, it would be knocking and running on 3 cylinders all the time.
     
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    I guess like another member mentioned, the water that accumulates in the cylinders.
     
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    That, is a hilarious answer. (Well if you don't have to have your engine swapped).

    I can't believe anyone working in an automotive repair venue would offer such a lame excuse. "Bad Gas" would cause a piston perforation? And total engine failure? .......That's SOME bad gas!

    On the positive side, you've obviously documented your struggle. You have a new engine. I'd do my best to monitor it as you continue to drive. If the problem did indeed manifest directly from the old engine, your problem might be solved.

    Good Luck.
     
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