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Bought a 2006 w/ 87k miles, might have P0A80 issues already

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by DWerner, Jan 31, 2015.

  1. DWerner

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    So this is kind of a long story but I'll try to keep it brief. I bought an 06 Prius last week with ~87,000 miles on it from a local reputable dealership. Everything seemed to be in perfect shape when I checked out the car/test drove it, etc. I took it to a mechanic before I bought it and he said there was literally not a single thing wrong with the car (in hindsight, I should have taken it to someone more familiar with hybrids, n00b mistake). Took the car home, and the very next day all the warning lights came on (master light, check engine, VSC, hybrid system light on the MFD). I had driven the car about 20 miles since I brought it home and no more than 40 since I first went to the dealership.

    Brought the car to AutoZone and got the codes read, came up with P0A80. Naturally I was furious, because I assumed the dealership had ripped me off. What are the odds that the traction battery would break down the day after I buy the car, especially when it only has 87k miles?? They gave me a 30 day/1000 mile warranty on the car, so I went to the dealership and told them what happened and they offered to check it out. Then the next morning, I get a call from them saying all the lights had gone off on their own and nothing was wrong with the car (highly suspicious). I suspect they're jerking me around but I have no proof at this point, so I figure I'll just drive it around for a few days, wait for the lights to come back on, then bring it back and make them fix it this time.

    I've probably driven about 120 miles since then and the lights haven't come back on yet. Haven't really noticed anything wrong with the car in terms of performance, though I've been hovering around 38mpg, which seems low. But I thought that might just be because I drive on the highway a lot and have to deal with a lot of traffic during my commute. I've also been leaving the A/C Auto on recently (it's winter here), which I just read was very bad for the mpg.

    So I have a few questions about this:
    1. Could something cause the P0A80 code to come up erroneously? Like could it be something other than the traction battery that's causing the warning?
    2. Is it possible for the P0A80 code/lights to go off by themselves?
    3. Is my low mpg indicative of a problem with the battery or is it relatively normal? How can I tell if there's actually something wrong with the battery or not?

    Assuming there is actually something wrong with the battery, I've been trying to think of possible courses of action. The dealership gave me the 1-month/1k "powertrain" warranty, but I don't know if the hybrid battery is included in this. For those familiar, the warranty is basically the Lemon Law warranty. It only really lists engine components and transmission stuff in the warranty. The car was purchased September 2006, so it's about 4 months out of the 8yr/100k warranty, which sucks. Was thinking I could try calling Toyota and begging for a new battery since the car has low miles. Other than that, I might have to consider taking legal action or praying the car fails inspection so I can get refunded. Any advice on this front would be greatly appreciated.

    Sorry for the wall of text, just really concerned and lost right now. Spent a lot of money on this car and I can't really afford to drop another 3k on a new battery right off the bat, so I really need to get this ironed out. Thanks guys.
     
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    welcome! it is unlikely that the lights and code came on for no reason. the first thing to check is the 12 volt battery. is this a local reputable toyota dealership? a/c doesn't effect mpg more than a mile or two. reset your mpg meter and take it for a slow drive in the country. if you're not getting 50 mpg, you have a problem. check your tyre pressure and read up here on gas mileage problems and solutions. if you can't return it, you're gonna have to deal with it. don't panic, we'll sort you out.
     
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    The HV battery probably drained out while the car was sitting on the dealer's lot unused. If you put a grid charger on the HV traction battery and rebalance the cells asap you can most likely avoid further battery issues for a long time. For best results, you should get the discharger as well and deep cycle the battery a few times. This is what two deep cycles did to a 2005 with 140k miles:

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    if the battery drained out, it won't start?
     
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    No it's a Ford dealership that just happened to have the prius from a trade-in. So it's not likely they'll know how to fix it or even what to look for, but I don't trust that they even tried. Could the 12V battery cause the P0A80 code? I read in other posts on here that it could cause the warning lights to go off, but I haven't seen anyone mention it causing the code. I checked the 12V battery a couple days ago and it was at 12.6V, but that was after I was driving it for about 30 min.

    The car starts and runs fine, which is why I'm confused about the battery possibly failing. The car did sit in the dealer's lot for about 3 weeks before I bought it, which is something I didn't even think of...
     
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    Resetting the 12V system can make the HV battery errors go away for a short time. It takes the car a few driving cycles to re-diagnose a failed battery. It doesn't mean the problem is gone, it just means the car has temporarily forgotten about it.
     
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    there's a surface charge on the 12v for a few hours after turning off. check the it in the morning before starting the car. if it's below 12.5 replace it.

    is the hv battery indicator behaving normally? it should hover around the middle and once in a while, slide down to two purple bars or up to full green bars. it it fluctuates rapidly, talk to jeff above.
     
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    Ok thanks, I'll check the 12v in the morning. The battery indicator on the MFD seems to be normal, it usually hovers around 5-6 bars and switches between green and blue. Never seen it drop to 1 or 2 bars and I've never seen it turn purple.
     
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    #1 - Are you in a Carb State where the car would still be under warranty through Toyota?
    #2 - If yes, you can have Toyota replace it.
    #3 - If no, you can always try to ask Toyota for a goodwill warranty, they usually cover a good percentage at your low mileage.
    #4 - If you haven't had the car for 3 days, some states have laws in which you can return the car to the selling dealer.
     
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    Oh right, I forgot to mention that. I live in NJ, which is a CARB state, but the car was first purchased in PA, which is not. So I believe I'm not eligible for the extended CARB warranty unfortunately. At least that's my understanding of how the warranty works, maybe I'm wrong.
     
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    You do not qualify for CARB based on my understanding. But I'm guessing if you approach Toyota with this issue, they may cover the repair because your car is not too far out from the 8 year/100k miles regular warranty.

    Is it too late to return the car?
     
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    Yeah I believe so, I bought it 6 days ago. I think I can only return it now if it fails inspection in a couple weeks.
     
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    I guess PA did not join CARB until 2008 and PA does not cover batt to 150k. But NJ is CARB and all USA Prii are CARB compliant, so it gets into Toyota's special rules. This is a case where Toyota might help cover batt costs if it eventually comes down to that. If you read the 2006 warranty you'll see it doesn't get around to saying Toyota disqualifies these situations (more recent warranty language does say that). So in my mind there is some wiggle room.
     
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    Since time is if the essence I would take it to a Toyota dealer and have them hook there Techstream laptop
    To the car and interrogate the hybrid battery module
    Voltages and there delta. You will get a printout of all 27 modules and there voltage. It costs minimal one hour labor. Here that's $130.
    When see see tluck.module voltages we can definitively tell u if that battery is good or bad. Until we see that its just
    A guessing game with time against you.
    Good luck.
     
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    The inspection wouldn't be very good if it passes a Prius with a failed traction battery...

    It does sound like your car's traction battery needs to be replaced.
     
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    find a reputable hybrid shop and ask them to assess hv battery (and the whole car while you're at it). in my area the 3 toyota dealerships don't typically know how to deal with an hv battery issue except to declare that i need a new one.

    make sure the 12v is good, too. if the hv still has life (better than 40% from what my folks told me), research the grid charger...pretty dang cool. that might be a long-term solution. but since this car is new-to-you, get baseline info on it. sounds like you did with getting it checked out, but i HIGHLY suggest getting the hv battery assessed now, as a new owner. it could mean the difference between refurbing it ($) or needing a brand new unit ($$$$).

    what did you name your prius? i can't stop myself from calling her Blue Egg, (and obviously declaring her a female).

    it's a great car, so congrats!
     
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    Just for records module info is available at OBDII and can be read by Torque (Engine link for iPhone owners)
     
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    NJ inspection is just emissions. As long as the car isn't throwing a code when they plug into the OBDII connector the car will pass. I don't know if it will pass if it is throwing a code that doesn't relate to emissions.

    Autozone probably didn't clear the code. The idiot light will eventually turn off.

    One of the symptoms of a failing traction battery is that the State of Charge fluctuates rapidly between fully charged and fully discharged.

    Take it to a Toyota dealer. Get the battery diagnosed. Let them tell you that you are out of warranty.

    Does the parent of the Ford dealer also have a Toyota franchise, like Holman?

    A warranty is a legal document. The Lemon Law is the law. Whatever it says is covered, is covered.

    Something is wrong because you got an idiot light and a code. There is no way a healthy Prius in NJ only gets 38mpg. My worst tank in the 2006 was 39.6mpg and that was between tanks measured at 64.5mpg & 57.9mpg so attributed to a fueling error.

    Here's the opinion of Luscious Garage:
    Luscious Garage | Blog | 2004-2009 Prius Hybrid Battery Options P0A80
     
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    If you could get some help from Toyota and maybe dealer give some discount to help, you could have a new batt and better car. Optimistic but possible win/win.
     
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    Only thing in play is he's sweating having to pay for a new hybrid battery which has become quite a quagmire of choices.
    Everything else is just bullshit till we see the module voltages. Time being of the essence pony up a hundred dollars and find out.

    I expect to see a few modules going south.

    We need the copy of the Techstresm report pasted here and all the codes the car has thrown. That is what your paying for so if you walk away without them we cannot help you. This is what you will use to get out of this deal. Giddee up.

    Good Luck.