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Out of warranty but brought up prior to expiration

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by arewethereyet, Mar 3, 2015.

  1. arewethereyet

    arewethereyet Junior Member

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    We purchased the car with ~26k miles. We looked at the carfax and noticed the previous owner brought the car in for squeaking/howling brakes and that and the dealer resurfaced the rotors, we weren't too concerned as it appears the issue was fixed. A few times, when the weather was just right (or wrong) and we noticed the squeak/howl. We mentioned it to the dealer during an oil change and they said that they'd need to duplicate the issue in order to repair it. I mentioned it seemed like the same thing the car was already seen for and that resurfacing the rotors didn't work. They assured me that if it was the same issue, it would be covered even when the warranty expired, especially since it was a seasonal issue. There is an actual TSB on this and the fix is *not* resurfacing the rotors.

    We moved to a more humid climate and the issue has gotten a lot worse and happens every morning and throughout the day if it's cold. I took the car into our new dealership, we now have ~45k miles. They explained to me that the warranty is 3 years or 36k miles max, no exceptions. I tried to plead my case, but I failed, they wouldn't budge

    Any thoughts? Out of luck? This is a seasonal issue...I tried to get them to fix it when it was under warranty, but it was hard to diagnose. It's now easy to diagnose, but it's out of warranty.
     
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  2. wjtracy

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    I have no experience with this specific issue, but its mind boggling sometimes how differently different dealer's service depts handle issues. We have a recent case of a bad HV battery, one smaller dealer told the owner he'd have to pay the whole repair cost, another dealer covered it totally under CARB warranty (according to the poster).
     
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    I agree. With my Dodge Truck, I had an issue I took it in for over and over. They couldn't replicate it and said since it was documented prior to expiration of the warranty, they'd cover it later if they could ever figure it out. This dealer seems snotty to me, but it's who I have to deal with.
     
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    I'd try opening a case with Toyota Customer Care. Just google the term for the phone number and/or I think it is in your Owners Manual Packet.
    As the vehicle has a within the warranty history of having been serviced for this issue-even if it was with the previous owner-along with your history of bringing up the issue before the warranty had expired, perhaps Toyota would/could leverage on your behalf.

    I'd present your case exactly as you have here, including mentioning the TSB.

    You have nothing to lose here.
     
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    Keep in mind in wetter or humid climates the surface of the brake disks will rust. It's best to try and put it in neutral when coming to your first stop when applying your brakes to help scrap off the rust. This is a common issue with all of us in damp climates.
     
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    Yup. Toyota Corporate. Open a complaint with them. Explain it was never actually "fixed" per the TSB. They should act without hesitation. It was "fixed" incorrectly in the first place and the warranty was valid then, so it should still be an open issue.
     
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    Resurfacing the rotors at 26K probably caused more of a problem than it fixed, either that or the Prius was used by a driving instructor in LA back in its far distant past.
    The station wagon is about 500# heavier than the hatch, but this is still a three year old car with 60,000 miles on the clock, and the dealer isn't going to address the problem.
    They don't care. They have time and obfuscation on their side.....and more to the point....they don't WANT to fix the problem.

    Brakes are pretty important, especially if you haul people you like around in the car with you.

    1. Stay away from that dealer. Write some letters of send some nasty-grams topside if you're into that, but I wouldn't trust a band-aid fix from a dealer who is uninterested in helping you.
    2. Look for an independent shop that swings wrenches on Priuses. This is NOT a hard fix. Hydraulic disc brakes are EASY to work on---even for Priuses.
    3. If you have the means/desire, yank the tires and look at the rotors yourself and maybe post some pictures. You'll get lots of opinions on what to do. Some of these will even be insightful. Brakes are 90-percent TIMELY pad replacement and 10 percent rotor "truing" or resurfacing. Some shops get that the other way around.
    It's also possible that you have a warped rotor or rotors from prior abuse (I'm sure it wasn't you!) or even from something as trivial as lug nuts that are not equally torqued (opinions vary about that.) If this is true, then you're looking at hundreds of dollars, but not thousands, and it represents what is "probably" the worst case scenario.

    4. The worst case scenario: You go to the dealer with an undiagnosed brake problem, and they tell you that the fix involves replacing some mysterious $2,500 part containing the words 'regenerative' or 'controller'.
    Just remember this: You drove the car INTO the dealer......you can drive it back OUT.
    Get other opinions.

    Brakes for Priuses usually last 150,000 miles or more unless you drive like a 16-year-old male that wishes he had a Camaro instead.

    Good Luck!
     
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    Is it coming from front or back? Hard to tell? How are the pad thicknesses, and are they wearing evenly? In other words, outer and inner pad have roughly same amount of wear? How do the disc faces look, are the pads making full contact across face of disc? Have the caliper pins ever been relubricated? Secondary, but worthwhile: has brake fluid ever been changed?

    What's the weather like, hard winters, lots of salt? Sorry, tough to see location on my phone.
     
  9. arewethereyet

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    Coming from the back for sure. It's Eugene Oregon, Mild Winters. 30-45 degree F at night is typical and 50-60 during the days. I don't think they salt the roads around here. When it snows, people go flying off the road, LOL.

    I opened a case with Toyota corporate, they said they'd get back to me tomorrow. Hoping for the best.
     
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    For starters take a look at the outer face of rear disk through the wheel. Basically check for uniform appearance, from outer edge to inner hub. Also look for heavy scoring.

    If you can, block front end, raise rear and see how freely rear wheels turn. There will be some drag, but not too much. Might be able to isolate the sound then too.

    Next step would be to pull the wheel and open up the caliper, remove disc and inspect thoroughly. Look for uneven wear. The rear brakes are complicated by parking brake mechanism. The piston position on pads has to be right, with piston's cross pattern straddling raised pin on back of pad. The piston can be screwed in to achieve this. Misalignment can be evidenced by uneven disc wear. The caliper pins could be relubed too.
     
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    I wanted everyone to know that I did contact corporate. They haven't told me what their intentions are, but they are reaching out to my local dealer and will be getting back to me shortly.

    If they don't take care of it, I'm going to look into the rear brakes as suggested and maybe putting the car into "N" every now and then to clear it. If I don't come back with status in a few weeks, feel free to bump the thread for a response :)
     
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    I wanted to close the loop and let everyone know Toyota took care of the issue (paid for the TSB). Thanks Toyota!
     
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