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Hybridcars Dashboard Summary: Feb 2015

Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by bwilson4web, Mar 5, 2015.

  1. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Thanks to Jeff Cobb and team, here are the last four months summary:
    model Feb_15 Jan_15 Dec_14 Nov_14
    1 Prius Liftback 7070 7316 8799 8038
    2 Prius C 2701 2614 2839 2975
    3 Fusion Hybrid 2416 1782 2372 2323
    4 Camry Hybrid 2110 2143 2448 2220
    5 Prius V 1850 1913 2284 2493
    6 Jetta Diesel 1786 1555 2247 2790
    7 Sonata 1605 672 897 781
    8 Model S 1400 1300 1900 1450
    9 Passat Diesel 1387 970 1764 1434
    10 Leaf 1198 1070 3102 2687
    11 i3* 1089 670 1013 816
    12 CT200h 978 1005 1608 1322
    13 C-Max Hybrid 878 765 1303 1296
    14 Avalon Hybrid 864 912 1154 1212
    15 Optima Hybrid 856 844 1299 1101
    16 Accord Hybrid 832 805 1233 1094
    17 ES Hybrid 758 746 1400 1194
    18 Volt 693 542 1490 1336
    19 Golf Diesel 631 730 856 744
    20 Fusion Energi 603 426 789 752
    21 XV Crosstrek Hybrid 549 512 427 575
    22 Lacrosse Hybrid 514 326 698 772
    23 C-Max Energi 498 395 659 644
    24 RX 400 / 450 h 494 521 930 788
    25 MKZ 480 468 743 569
    26 X5 Diesel 405 263 630 485
    27 Prius Plug In 397 401 492 451
    28 Q50 Hybrid 365 297 386 422
    29 Civic Hybrid 358 320 476 432
    30 Cayenne Diesel 357 483 349 404
    31 Q5 Diesel 309 306 565 598
    32 Grand Cherokee Diesel 275 128 172 153
    33 GL-Class Diesel 265 235 419 351
    34 Cruze Diesel 262 186 500 326
    35 X3 Diesel 258 93 241 175
    36 Highlander Hybrid 256 268 428 425
    37 Q7 Diesel 234 158 306 333
    38 Touareg Diesel 232 257 330 319
    39 Pathfinder Hybrid* 212 184 204 187
    40 Insight 211 223 311 278
    41 GLK Class Diesel 179 144 194 275
    42 QX60 Hybrid* 179 129 168 146
    43 A3 Diesel 178 225 182 167
    44 CR-Z 175 196 224 188
    45 NX Hybrid 164 163 354
    46 3-Series Diesel 155 125 296 293
    47 Focus EV 145 85 53 191
    48 e-Golf 130 181 237 119
    49 ELR 127 92 118 155
    50 Spark 119 86 131 61
    51 500E 117 119 115 100
    52 i8 113 85 158 126
    53 B-Class Electric 109 240 326 193
    54 Cayenne S E-Hybrid 106 83 67 45
    55 Beetle Diesel 91 87 89 74
    56 5-Series Diesel 79 52 113 86
    57 forTwo EV 76 147 351 313
    58 A6 Diesel 72 74 177 167
    59 E-Class Diesel 70 323 170 168
    60 Soul EV 48 69 110 140
    61 Panamera S E-Hybrid 40 61 31 57
    62 Jetta Hybrid 36 50 57 68
    63 Civic 26 50 40 52
    64 RLX Hybrid 21 14 29 37
    65 Regal Hybrid 20 12 22 46
    66 Impala Hybrid 19 19 93 23
    67 A8 Diesel 17 15 48 55
    68 A7 Diesel 15 26 58 74
    69 Q70 Hybrid 14 19 20 17
    70 Accord Plug In 12 28 63 43
    71 Q5 Hybrid 10 8 11 16
    72 GS 450h 10 8 11 9
    73 Malibu Hybrid 8 6 15 14
    74 LS 600h 7 5 4 1
    75 ILX Hybrid 5 3 9 10
    76 ML Class Diesel 4 2 14 21
    77 ML Class Diesel 4 2 14 21
    78 E400H 3 30 9 5
    79 Yukon Hybrid 3 2 1 2
    80 Tahoe Hybrid 3 0 1 2
    81 RAV4 EV 2 7 37 83
    82 i 2 3 12 18
    83 Escalade Hybrid 2 1 1 2
    84 ActiveHybrid 3 (335ih) 1 3 9 4
    85 Touareg Hybrid 1 2 2 1
    Source: Jeff Cobb's Hybrid Market Dashboard | HybridCars.comHybridCars.com (well worth reading!)

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    • Prius hatchback - weak
    • Fusion hybrid - good month, but one month does not a trend make
    • Leaf - took a hit from second tier to third tier, buyer's market?
    • Sonata - nice job, but one month does not make a trend
    • Diesels - reached bottom?
    Market summary:
    • clean-up - lost about about 10 small unit, hybrids
    • second and third tiers getting fuzzy - less distinct grouping
    Feel free to offer suggestions and improvements as generating this table and the graphs is semi-manual.

    Bob Wilson
     
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  2. mikefocke

    mikefocke Prius v Three 2012, Avalon 2011

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    Recall the weather in February on the coasts.

    The two different scales on the vertical axis on the first graph are confusing. 0-4500 and 0-9000, which is it? Plus no indication of the normal Prius's position on the graph nor how it is represented.

    Thanks for posting this info here, BTW.
     
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    The right axis is for Prius hatchback sales and the left for the rest. I know it seems a little confusing but the alternative, a single scale would be worse.

    Even now the Prius hatchback sales are over two times higher than the next highest model, the Prius c. If we used a single scale, it would squish the lower tiers and wipe out the differences.

    I have thought about swapping the axis. But to plot the lower tier data on the right-hand axis requires a manual process, the default is plotting against the left axis. If I don't catch this manual step that particular graph would be half the true value. It is just how excel works unless someone has some thoughts about a better way.

    BTW, I did (do) think about raising the horizontal line scale by plotting from from 500/1000 instead of 0/0. This would increase the fine detail a little. Just I've seen other charts that abused this technique to 'sell' BS. For my personal analysis, I'm OK with more detail as my mind extends the zero axis. But explaining it to others versus keeping it graphicly simple, the higher resolution doesn't buy that much compared to the potential confusion.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    Good news for Prius HEV hybrids:
    For 2015 YTD , I see increased sales of Prius LB+c+v ...we are ahead 242 units from 2014 Jan/Feb YTD.

    If you include PiP PHEV (Plug-in Prius), we are down 800 units vs. 2014, but PiP sales are probably best excluded from the above comparison. Last year we had a bumper crop of PiP sales in early 2014 due to CA green HOV stickers running out (later extended) and huge CA price reductions; this year PiP is in high demand due to lack of supply from Toyota, so hard to get.

    Bottom line: no huge fall-off in Prius hybrid due to fuel prices (yet).

    Of course it's still winter (gotta shovel it now...bye)
     
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    Just a few comments.

    Fusion was more like a regression to the mean after a bad January. Fusion hybrid + energi though have a higher take rate than camry hybrid but both have slipped compared to the beginning of last year.

    Leaf like all plug-ins has quite a bit of seasonality, as they sell much better at the end of the year. I would expect leaf sales to increase, but it may sell worse in the US than last year. The bmw i3 is selling incredibly well for a cfrp car, and at this rate it should be profitable according to bmw. The leaf also needs to withstand the launch of the 50 mile aer gen II volt later this year.

    Diesels seemed to get hammered worse than hybrids. IMHO lower gas prices hurt both, but they hurt diesels more.
     
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    Thanks those are the same numbers I was playing with above. The Prii-Hybrids (LB+c+v) are actually ahead YTD from last year, just barely.

    PiP is a little behind, but that's PiP.
     
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    #1 Toyota Camry - 40,800
    #2 Toyota Corolla - 35,532
    #3 Nissan Altima - 31,993
    #4 Ford Fusion - 29,044
    #5 Hyundai Elantra - 28,794
    #6 Honda Civic - 26,095
    #7 Honda Accord - 26,018
    #8 Chevrolet Cruze - 23,593
    #9 Nissan Sentra - 21,277
    #10 Ford Focus - 20,497
    #11 Chrysler 200 - 19,190
    #12 Hyundai Sonata - 18,340
    #13 Chevrolet Malibu - 16,552
    #14Kia Optima - 15,485
    #15 BMW 3 & 4-Series - 14,835
    #16 Nissan Versa - 14,543
    #17 Kia Soul - 12,731
    #18 Ford Mustang - 12,663
    #19 Subaru Outback - 12,504
    #20 Volkswagen Jetta - 11,583

    Prius Liftback - 9,485
    Prius v - 2,516
    Prius c - 3,564
    Prius PHEV - 473

    http://insideevs.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/2015-sales-chart-mar-v7-750x525.png
     

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    Accord (and CR-V) might be down because there IS an imminent recall due to defective engine assembly in some VINs, improper torque on connecting rod bolts. Woops.
     
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    gotta give ford their due, thanks serge!
     
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    New numbers are out and they are about the same
    March 2015 Dashboard - HybridCars.com
    Up 24% from last month but down 23% from march a year ago. Altogether hybrids are 15% behind last year for the first 3 months. I don't expect recovery until next year when the gen IV prius is shipping. We likely will get more hybrids in 2017 that may be more exciting, and gas prices will eventurally go up. My guess is we will sell around 650,000 hybrids in the US in 2018 pushed by cafe. That is about 43% above last year, or 31% above the hybrid peak of 2013.

    Plug-ins look like continued but slow growth from last year.
    Monthly Plug-In Sales Scorecard
    Here we have increased tesla S, bmwi i3, and surprisingly good selling fiat 500e, making up for poor volt and prius phv sales. I expect 2017 to be 50% higher than 2014 then get sustained growth (185,000+ US sales in 2017, 230,000 in 2018) but it may be rocky getting there was people wait for the outlander phev, and the second generations volt, leaf, and prius phv.
     
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    Wow, pretty much all the hybrids and plugin hybrids are down in sales. Sales are dependent on gas prices because they don't seem to offer the best value. Maybe more a saying, if going to get a plugin, just get an EV over PHV.

    Look at Tesla, doing well. Make a hot looking and performing car and people will line up for miles to get one, even at $80k. Make a wimpy, weenie car (iMiEV an extreme example) and buyers walk on buy.
     
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    two completely different markets.
     
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    Doubt that. Think people that are snooping hybrids don't have an eye on what's available in PHEVs and EV's?
     
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    i just think people who are looking at cars in the $40,000. range, rarely make the leap to $80,000.
     
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    They're selling more Accord hybrids then Volts ?!?!? what the heck !!
    I can't wrap my head around that. I've only seen a hand full of accord hybrids in the wild ... but tons of Volts. Very strange
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    Figure the Volt is at the end of its generation cycle. The Accord at the beginning of its cycle, and I think it may have had some supply constraints its first year.
     
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    Market is different in Canada probably, but I see Accord hybrids occasionally, but very rarely see the Volt. Very, very rarely. In my case, I wouldn't consider the Volt at all, but the Accord would be a consideration. For my purposes, and I think I represent the more mainstream side of the hybrid/PHEV/EV market, the Accord is simply a much, much more practical car.

    At this time I have little interest in pure EVs. The PHEVs are much more attractive to me.

    Uh no. I have zero interest in buying a Tesla Model S. Yeah, it's a nice car, but there's no way I'm spending $100000 CAD on a car, esp. when you can't fill it up at a gas station.

    Yep.

    I went into the dealership looking to buy a used Prius or Prius v, but had no problem making the jump to the used Prius Plug-in. Tesla Model S? Not a chance in Hades. Not even for a used one.
     
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    Yep, I would say chevy needs to invest in R&D and bring out a better volt. Oh they are? great. In the meantime the leaf just this month passed the volt as the best selling plug-in in the US. The gen I did its job, its time to look to the next generation. The big surprises in plug-ins are well the i3 and fiat 500e are doing (inside evs has different estimates for tesla and fiat, and generally guess better. Volt falls to 5th, the fusion energi to 6 and the prius phv all the way to 8th place. Those other cars need an update too;-)

    Honda though is a real disappointment. Not only do the civic and accord hybrids fall behind the camry and fusion hybrids, they don't do as well as the ESh. Honda's best selling hybrid is in 10th place of the hybrid list, and would be 13th if you include plug-ins. That puts honda not only behind toyota and ford, but hyundai, nissan, tesla, and bmw too. The reviews of the accord hybrid were good, honda needs to drop the price and be more competitive.
     
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    That's funny, I drive BEVs specifically because I can't fill them up at gas stations:love: