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Introduction to forcing functions

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  1. bwilson4web

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    The source is from an advocacy forum citing another 'blog'. So let's not run around with hair on fire. What I found useful was a listing of forcing functions:
    • global energy conservation - a net sum zero
    • 240 W/m2 outbound radiation
    • 150-390 W/m2 variation over globe
    • Clausius-Clapeyron relationship - We called them "steam table"
    • Radiation distribution, greenhouse effects
      • 50% water vapor
      • 25% clouds
      • 25% non-condensing greenhouse gases
        • 20% CO{2}
        • 5% CH4, N20, O3, and CFCs
    There are more points that I have to study and understand. But these are basic engineering mechanisms. Once I've worked them out, I live in Huntsville AL and I look forward to sharing the relationships. But more interesting points:
    • "10 gigatons of carbon/yr (roughly equivaent to 10 cubic km of coal/yr, which when burned adds about 5 ppm CO2 to the atmosphere, half of which remains there for many centures)." - Now this is an interesting half-life problem but also suggests the issue is carbon sinks are running at about half the rate we generate CO2.
    • "They should also pay attention to the geological record that points to an atmospheric CO2 level of 450 ppm as being incompatible with polar ice caps, a level that is expected to be reached by the end of this century. While it may take a thousand years for the polar ice to melt, the future course is being prepared for a 70 meter rise in sea level." - This is a consistent view from climate modeling, the loss of polar ice volume.
    The advocacy article is aimed at teaching physicist about fundamental relationships. Some of the claims I did not quote are ones I need to understand. Ignorance is neither an agreement or disagreement, it is a puzzle to work out. But I love seeing data points that we can start to correlate with current satellite and terrestrial observations.

    An advocacy source can often provide basics and pointers to hard science. Like high school courses, they provide an introduction that is refined in undergraduate and post-graduate studies. In this case, useful to me and hopefully those who can understand the physics and engineering.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    There was a recent paper on CO2 observations: First direct observation of carbon dioxide's increasing greenhouse effect

    They found that CO2 was responsible for a significant uptick in radiative forcing at both locations, about two-tenths of a Watt per square meter per decade. They linked this trend to the 22 parts-per-million increase in atmospheric CO2 between 2000 and 2010.
    Now we can do some maths:

    0.2W/m2 / 22 ppm ~= .0091 W/m2 / ppm- the CO2 radiation rate as a function of concentration
    0.0091 W/m2 * 400 ppm ~= 3.64 W/m2

    3.64 W/m2 / (240 W/m2 (solar) - 100 W/m2 (reflected) ) ~= 2.6%
    • 2.6% < 3.62% :: Mojo referenced number
    • 2.6% << 20% :: Andy Lacis referenced number
    Well that was an unexpected result. I understand IPCC only claims 1.66 W/m2, an even smaller number.

    Like 'tar baby,' another source: CO2 no-feedback sensitivity | Climate Etc.

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    Water vapor in the atmosphere arises with heating of underlying (wet) surfaces. Higher T leads to more W. However, it also rains out quickly (~ one week) and from my perspective, the actual net increase of water vapor, per degree of warming, is not well constrained. That would be very helpful, because it absorbs infrared so strongly. But I would not agree that the man-made effect is limited to water produced as a byproduct of combustion.

    For 'a closer look' at CO2 we will have to return to things already previously covered here. The annual biological exchange of CO2 is about 100 petagrams of carbon, about half each, land and see. 100 goes down (photosynthesis) and 95 comes up (decomposition). It is this imbalance that is limiting the rate of CO2 growth in the atmosphere. Separately from that, combustion of fossil fuels releases 10 Pg C per year. I don't know how understanding of the carbon cycle is in any way improved by conflating this large, nearly balanced biological cycle with the newer, clearly anthropogenic C addition. Atmospheric CO2 increases since at least 1850 were anthropogenic. More dominated by land-use changes early on, now entirely dominated by fossil C burning.

    For CH4 and N2O, it would be a simple matter to see how much each has increases since 1850 (or another time you might prefer). The % manmade from that might correspond to the Geocraft numbers, or they might not.

    The Geocraft website has very strong areas, but this does not appear to be one of them.
     
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    Thanks!

    Right now, my interest is in the energy flows ... our planet as a solar and internal heat powered engine. Eventually I'll work back to surfaces and greenhouse gases.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    GOCE gravity satellite data are now being used for geothermal prospecting.

    Link is around somewhere:)

    Heckuva thing. When somebody sets out to study some aspect of Earth System Science, other things just seem to blossom. Or burst for steam, or whatever.
     
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    Source: Antarctic ice shelves rapidly thinning

    A new study led by Scripps Institution of Oceanography at the Univ. of California, San Diego (UC San Diego) researchers has revealed that the thickness of Antarctica’s floating ice shelves has recently decreased by as much as 18% in certain areas over nearly two decades, providing new insights on how the Antarctic ice sheet is responding to climate change.​

    The important thing is an 18 year interval. Study of Antarctica is difficult so I understand the sparse data even in the days of satellite observation.

    Bob Wilson