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Discussion in 'Newbie Forum' started by homerjoker, Apr 19, 2015.

  1. homerjoker

    homerjoker Junior Member

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    Hi Everyone !

    I'm a toyota family member - a trusty 1997 t100 truck & also a 2003 matrix which i just passed down to my son, - and i'm finally ready for my first prius. - it will be a commuter [400 miles a week at least] It will definitely be a used one, and i will be paying in Cash, as my credit is not that great. {although with a large downpayment i might be able to get a little credit} - somewhat of a fixed income here...

    i'd really like the purchase to happen no later than mid may

    I'm pretty much at $10k saved up. [ 11-12k by mid may ] I have been browsing for weeks and reading as much as i can. What i've seen is that for a few thousand more i can at least get myself into a 2010+ - the " latest generation ". For a bit more, i find the trims i think i'd want {bluetooth, navigation, back up camera - i don't want leather seats, as i'm a vegetarian. lol } ... with VERY acceptable mileage [90-130k]

    However, i have found 2007- 2008 models with those things, seemingly in good shape, under 150K miles, in the price range of 7k - 10k.

    So here are my questions -
    major Q
    •• is there THAT much of a difference with the newer generation(s), that i should hold out and spend all i can muster... OR am i simply being starry-eyed ? ie - Will the 2008ish +/- turn out to be my better deal, since i'd save on the upfront cost OR is it FOR SURE worth it to hold out and get the 2010/2011s

    minor q's
    • Is the navigation up-dateable and really that important, or will my trusty old garmim [ and maybe even a new $160 Garmin] do just as well ....

    • Is the back up camera a status symbol i truly dont need that is again skewing my sights from the true important things, such as drive train, handling upgrades etc...

    any help is appreciated - thanks in advance
     
  2. css28

    css28 Senior Member

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    A few observations:
    If most of your miles are going to be freeway speeds (say, 60 mph and above) the Gen 3 will do significantly better for fuel economy and general engine happiness. You can also confidently use more of a tanks worth of gas in the Gen 3 since the Gen 2's have a bladder in the tank that makes gauge readings less reliable.

    If you have to parallel park or do other such tight backing a camera is recommended in these vehicles. The visibility is pretty miserable out the back.

    Ethical updates of the nav are expensive. There is a benefit in avoiding the hassle of plugging in and setting up the Garmin but its user interface is nicer than for the factory nav. I'm OK doing without the updates since most areas I drive haven't changed in years :)

    There are some who prefer the Gen 2 cabin layout to that of the Gen 3. You need to at least sit in one of each to gauge the difference.

    Welcome aboard!
     
  3. tanglefoot

    tanglefoot Whee!

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    I love the Gen 2's. They're often considered "tougher", they're a little higher off the ground and the interiors aren't quite a spaceship-like as the Gen 3. I'd go out of my way to get a Gen 2 instead of a 3, myself.

    The only things that I prefer about the 3 are the electric engine coolant pump and beltless design. The Gen 2 uses a serpentine belt to drive the mechanical engine coolant pump, which can sometimes develop leaks. The Gen 3 has an electrically-driven engine coolant pump that doesn't seem to have leaking issues and has no accessory belt on the engine (one less maintenance item). The Gen 3 does do a bit better in mountainous terrain as well, as it has a larger gasoline engine than the Gen 1 and 2, so it does better once the traction pack reaches minimum charge, which is common on mountain ascents.

    I always prefer standalone navigators to built-in navigation systems, myself. They are usually easier to update and often have better interfaces as well.

    I agree that the backup camera is very helpful. Rearward visibility out the hatch is not the greatest, and the camera provides excellent visibility over the back bumper, which is especially helpful for parking.

    Good luck with your search! I love the Gen 2. I've had it since new and wouldn't trade it for anything.

    I've got a "thing" for T100s. If I ever need to replace my '85 Toyota 4wd, the T would definitely be on my list.
     
  4. Munpot42

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    In the 06 thru 09's the backup cam is standard, on the gen 3's, you have to get one with nav to get the backup cam.
     
  5. wjtracy

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    I do not know if a back-up cam is standard on Gen2, but most have it and it is very useful.

    If you're going used in CA just be aware Toyota CARB warranty rules require the car has been orig purchased and registered in a CARB stare, if you have CARB warranty you get 10-yr 150-k miles from orig purchase on some big hybrid things like battery.
     
  6. JimN

    JimN Let the games begin!

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    The Gen3 was defeatured compared to the Gen2 & my fuel economy isn't significantly higher. Unless you are in an area of new construction roads don't change. I won't buy Toyota's map upgrade and I don't rush to upgrade the Garmin's map. The backup camera is useful.

    Since money's tight the Gen2 will probably be the better value.
     
  7. homerjoker

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    Thanks everyone for taking the time to reply. I'm on the verge of my purchase. After test driving a few 2010's i am thinking of checking out a few good deals on 2008's.
     
  8. The Electric Me

    The Electric Me Go Speed Go!

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    You're likely to get some generational "loyalty" flames burning when you ask which is better.

    I think both Generations are/were good machines. With various differences.

    "Usually" however, I also think getting as "new" a vehicle as possible when buying used is a good idea. There are some advantages to Gen 3, as already pointed out, No Gas Bladder, no coolant thermos, uses heat reclamation to warm up faster.

    Everything, including replacement parts are "newer".

    Nothing against Gen 2 Prius, I almost bought one in 2009 when Toyota was making way for the Next Gen Prius.
    But in general? If you are buying used on a budget, but can afford newer? Usually I think the newer incarnation is the better choice, especially if neither Generation particularly has a trump card over the other.

    Which I do believe is the case here.
     
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