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Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Accessories and Modifications' started by Alexma, Apr 15, 2011.

  1. Alexma

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    I have a 2001 Sebring covert sitting in the drive way. Got new tires put on the aftermarket wheels and the car pooped out after 700 miles or so with the new tires.

    Got the 11 Prius and wanted to get rid of those ugly (personal opinion) 15" stockers.

    Took the Tundra in for a rotate and balance, so I picked the techs brain for a while.

    Props to "Chris" for going out of his way to help me answer all my questions!

    Wheels on Sebring - Konig reasons 17x7, 40mm on the offset and 5x100, lugs are m12x1.5.

    Suggested sizing for prius - 17x7, 38mm-50mm, 5x100, with m12x1.5 pitch on the studs.

    Wheels swapped over without a hitch!!!:rockon::cheer2::D:rockon::cheer2::cool:

    Tires on the wheels are Kumo H16 in 215/50/17

    Stockers are 215/45/17, but the 215/50/17 is part of the acceptable range, just slightly taller. Less then 1/2 inch overall height compared to the 15 inch stockers.

    So, this is less then a 1/4 inch on the top and bottom centered.

    So far, not rubbing on turns or bumps.

    As far as I can tell, no difference in MPG, but it has only been 100 miles or so since the swap.

    The only thing I need to do now is to bring it to the shop to have the sensors swapped out.

    $15 a wheel which includes the TPMS rebuild kit.

    So, at $60 for the set, I think it's a steal.

    I didn't have to purchase new wheels, tires, or lugs.

    The Sebring is sitting back on the old wheels with worn out tires.

    QUESTION - what are Hub-Centric rings?

    I know they are to take up the space between the gap from the hub to the wheel.

    But, do I/We need it on the Prius?

    When I put the wheels on the lugs, there didn't seem to be any play on the lugs.

    Here are a couple of quick shots from my camera phone:

    Up close
    Konig front.jpg

    Full side view
    Konig Side.jpg

    Yes, I know the car is dirty!!!!
     
    #1 Alexma, Apr 15, 2011
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    Tires look too fat but it still looks way better than stock 15". Pretty good for only $60.
     
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    $60 not spent yet, hope to do it Sat morning.

    Fat??? HAHAHA!

    Maybe, just happy that they fit!!!!

    Looking at 225/45/17 Continental DWS next. Since they are a closer match in height compared to the 195/65/15. And the tires are 19lbs.

    I don't know the weight of the Konig Reasons and have not been able to find any info on line either.
     
    #3 Alexma, Apr 15, 2011
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    Looks like you have 17 inch stockers....

    Do you have a pic of the tires on your car?

    Would like to compare how mine look compared to yours.

    Does 50 series compared to 45 series make that much of a difference in the sidewall???
     
    #4 Alexma, Apr 15, 2011
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    nice!!! very good turn out....I too hate my stock lil rims
     
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    According to TireRack, the stock (Avid S33D) 195/65/15 is 829 Revs/mile.
    Your Kumho H16 215/50/17 is only 814 Revs/mile. That's a 2% difference. You might want to check your speed vs. a GPS as I find with the stock tires my speedometer is still 1-2% low...You might be pretty close to right on..

    You could also go with 205/50/17 which is 827 Revs/mile and it is only 1/2" wider than stock. The 225/45/17 (828 Revs/mile) measure a full 1" wider and would run a much greater risk of rubbing. I realize that on the V, 215/45/17 is the stock size so your 225s should be OK but you are getting close to the edge and need to be careful.

    I run 205/55/16 winter tires (834 Revs/mile and 0.4" wider than stock). I really like that size for the Prius and will probably replace the stock tires (pathetic 320 treadware rating) with that size in a year or so.
     
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    Haven't had the chance to run a speed compare with my GPS yet.

    Interested to see where the speed is at too.

    225/45/17 won't be for a while, the Kumos had about 700 miles on them when I did the swap.

    It's funny how there is a difference with the stocks 195/65/15 and 215/45/17. You would think that there would not be a difference between the two.

    Thanks for the tech info...


    Hmmmm.........what to do about the stock wheels.
     
    #7 Alexma, Apr 16, 2011
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    Nothing special about them to take pics as they're stock, but there are many pics of them here and on Toyota website.

    215/50 definitely has more meat in the sidewall compared to 215/45. Although you didn't intend this, some people have made the mistake of going with 215/50 in order to "fill" the wheel gap but the end result is always the tires look too fat.
     
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    My friend was over last night, but it was dark. I did notice that my wheels stick out further. I believe that stock is 50 off set and I am at 40. Hard to tell the difference with the tires.
     
    #9 Alexma, Apr 17, 2011
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    as far as hub centric

    it is preferable to have the weight of the car being transfered to the center ring of the rim so the wheel bolts/lugs don't take the stress.


    with just bolts/lugs it's lug centric. lug centric allows for some off center "play", so the wheels may be off balance thus getting some vibration.
     
    #10 SlowTurd, Apr 17, 2011
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    Just keep in mind that the wider tires are going to drop your MPG. :)
     
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    QUESTION : what are Hub-Centric rings?

    ANSWER :
    What are centric rings needed for?

    Wheel Hub Centric Rings are designed to fill in the gap between the hub of the car and the center bore of the wheel. Most wheel manufacturers design their wheels with a centerbore large enough to fit on most cars. Therefore, since wheel manufactures make their center bore large enough to fit most cars, most wheel fitments have a gap between the hub and the centerbore. This gap usually doesn't allow for the wheel to fit hubcentric but rather lugcentric which causes vibration. Therefore, to fill the gap and ensure the fitment is hubcentric, hub rings are used.

    Centering hole disc must match exactly the size of the landing cylinder hub and no tolerance there can not be. If you want to install on the disk hub centering hole larger than the diameter of the cylinder Hubs, you must buy the wheel hub centering rings.


    Hubcentric ring difference:
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    How to measure by yourself?

    For right choice of alignment rings you need just two sizes - centering bore diameter desired for the installation disk (DIA), and hole diameter regular disk (diameter of the hub).

    To measure the diameter of the hub and diameter of the disk central bore you need Calipers
    To measure diameter of the disk hole You must have Calipers without depth probe or :
    1. unscrew the two bolts from the calipers
    2. remove the second part of the calipers
    3. remove the depth probe (DEPTH PROBE - makes difficult to measure accurately)
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    Now you can precisely measure the diameter of disk center bore :)

    HUB CENTRIC RINGS How to install:
    The HUB CENTRIC RING installation order:
    1. First insert the ring in the alloy disk (wheel).
    2. And then place the wheel(disk) on the wheel hub.

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    What is HUB DIAMETER (IN DIAMETER)?
    [​IMG]

    What is wheel center bore (OUT DIAMETER)?
    [​IMG]
     
    #13 foxygenn, Aug 5, 2015
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    ^ Excellent post!
     
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