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Student's family files suit over wi-fi emf.

Discussion in 'Environmental Discussion' started by bisco, Aug 25, 2015.

  1. bisco

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    the family of a 12 year old student at the fay school in southboro, ma filed a suit in federal court asking the school to revert back to ethernet cables and stop using wi-fi because their son has developed 'electromagnetic hypersensitivity syndrome', since the school activated a stronger signal in 2013.

    the family is also seeking $250,000. in damages. the family submitted as evidence, letters from several doctors confirming the diagnosis and cause.
     
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    wow I need to see these doctors
     
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    Or a psychiatrist...
     
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    This would be very very easy to test for with an EMC chamber and some wifi generators that may or may not be turned on.
     
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    The double blind tests described in the Wiki article showed that the symptoms were the same regardless of whether the RF sources were real or fake.
     
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    No, this is not easy to test. Even the people who claim that "electromagnetic hypersensitivity syndrome" is real do not claim that it affects everyone. If you want to verify that a medical test is effective, you have to test it on people who suffer from the targeted condition.

    I suspect that there are people who are affected by EMF. And many others who demonstrate no detectable symptoms.

    Most people consider peanuts a healthy food. I'm really glad that they no longer hand them out on airlines because I had to suppress a gag response whenever I smelled them. Actually consuming them was followed by vomiting within a minute. It's called an allergy, and I don't see why EMF couldn't demonstrate similar activity.

    I recommend reading "Dirty Electricity: Electrification and the Diseases of Civilization" by Samuel Milham MD. Available at Amazon as an ebook or paperback.

    According to Dr. Milham, it's not just our modern cell phones and wifi that is problematic. It started with the introduction of electricity over a century ago. Then it was sparking commutators on the generators used at the time. These days it can be EMF generated by the switching power supplies used at cell sites. It can be delivered via the power lines, totally independent of the actual cell signals.

    Then there are the unique cancers that just happen to occur where a cell phone is held or carried. Not enough to prove anything, but more like a dead canary in a mine.
     
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    To OP; assuming it is real: poor soul!

    All the stores, named above doctor offices, home he lives in all covered by WiFi or cell signal. Quick ran of WiFi scanner in bedroom shows 37 networks in range, and trying to run it while sitting in the parking lot in business park maxed out at 54. Add cell phones, cordless, remote controls, microwave ovens, garage door openers and dude is doomed; there is no hiding.

    I suspect that he is just allergic to school.
     
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    According to the Wikipedia post, they *did* test using subjects who claimed to be sensitive, and found no evidence that it was real.
     
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    ...and the family's lawsuit is just an attempt to recover the money (after legal fees) they wasted on him.
     
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    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    AWESOME!!!!
    GREAT!!!

    Now I don't have to be a productive citizen to finish out my working years.
    About the only people who are exposed to more EMR than we phone factory workers, would be power workers.

    FORTUNATELY....I grew up in Amish country, so when we go back to that care-free 1860's lifestyle, I'll already know what to do!! :)
     
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    Saw this article a while back and thought my kids are more irritable when I turn off the Wi-Fi or take away their minecraft.

    Seriously though, I design & deploy Wi-Fi networks. Many of these locations have over 100 access points to provide adequate coverage & capacity. The only times I have 'felt' the Wi-Fi is if I have a dozen or so access points to set up running right full power right next to me. It feels like you are on a caffeine buzz to me. In normal circumstances this is not going to be an issue. There are even settings on enterprise devices that allow us to turn off the blinking LEDs on the access point. The is most commonly used in prisons and hospitals to take folks minds 'away' from them.

    If this school has to drop Wi-Fi, the kid is still going to still be hit with weather, aircraft, cell phone, and on and on. There is no escape.
     
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    Do high resistance wires like paper clips or wire coat hangers or eye glass frames get warm? Think Herz spark-gap receivers.

    In theory, two transmitters with slightly off frequency would generate a much lower, beat-frequency in a receiving antenna.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    Perhaps they should move to a place that uses less electricity. North Korea has less electricity and probably little wifi. Parts of Africa and India don't have electricity (or running water). If they win, that $250,000 would be enough to buy an entire Indian village.
     
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    I've never looked at that though it would be interesting to check next time I'm in that situation.
     
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    is it possible, that like immunization, there are always a small number of people who's dna is negatively affected?
     
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    Sure but should we outlaw bees because I'm allergic? In this case, they could adjust power to particular APs so there was a dead zone in a classroom for this kid.
     
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    yes, i don't think anyone is calling for outlawing wi-fi. these particular parents are asking it to be turned down to original levels, which obviously wasn't working for the whole school in some way.

    edit: there are probably groups looking to eliminate emf's of all kinds from the environment.:cool:
     
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    If (and I don't think it is) this boy's condition is real then IMHO it should be up to the parents to prove it with some independent testing. After that, if it was proven then some mitigation plans could be worked on. What leaves a sour taste in my mouth is the attempt of a $250k money grab.
     
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    NON IONIZING RADIATION, unless you stick your head in a microwave oven it's harmless, and the levels involved in wi-fi transmission, would barely warm up a mosquito... $250k, really, well since 80% of my life after age 16 I have been around RF, hi & lo power, I should get a 2.5 million payout. But that would be stupid, because there are no effects that I could legitimacy claim affecting my health!
     
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