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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by darkgiant, Aug 16, 2015.

  1. darkgiant

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    Hi All,

    So my family has had a 2004 Toyota Prius for over a few months now, the car is in great condition, from the exterior to the interior. Now, there are some problems in the car, that I wanted to see what the possible issues can be.

    1. Key Fobs - The key fob that we have (we have two), one of them works, the other doesn't. The one that works, it is only good enough to simply start the car (when we insert it into the slot). The other fob doesn't even do anything, it can't turn on the car, even after putting in a battery in the fob itself. Both fobs can not unlock, lock, nor put on the car alarm. I ran did the diagnostic test by checking the 12V battery, but it showed normal numbers, nothing bad from there. I think this could be a programming issue? Any idea how much repairing this can cost? FYI, I am 100% sure this car has the Smart Key System embedded in the car, it has the black buttons around the car, so I am assuming this could be a programming issue? (This Prius has the JBL speakers and GPS, if that makes any difference).

    2. Since this is a 2004 Model, it has both a cassette, and 6-disc CD Changer. The cassette system works just fine, bu the 6-disk CD changer doesn't even eject nor allow us to insert a disc. Any idea on what I can do to diagnose this problem?

    3. Brakes - My father had done a brake job on the car, and it seems fine, but I personally feel like (comparing this to my 2007 Prius) when I brake on the car, I kind of have to push a bit further for the car to slow down. Now, my father installed the brakes properly, but I was wondering if there is something special for a regular brake job on a Prius? It does brake, but having to press a little harder on the brake pedal, compared to my 2007 Prius (which again, could be because this is an 2004?)

    Other than that, this car drives fine, we changed the oil just a week ago (apparently, the previous owner claimed he changed the oil few months before we bought it, but the oil was extremely thick... so not sure what other bluffs he was able to squeeze in as the time of sale). The car gets great gas mileage, and has no error codes on it either.

    As always, I appreciate any help I can get here!
     
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    Hmm, Bump? Really appreciate any help I can get on this!
     
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    A coworker brought me his Mac laptop one day that wasn't accepting or ejecting a disc, and when I opened it up I was able to remove three cardboard jigsaw puzzle pieces that had been inserted by his daughter. It was easy to ID the suspect because they were those especially large, thick puzzle pieces made for very young puzzlers. I'm not saying your explanation will turn out exactly the same, but once you've eliminated some basics like not getting any power, a physical inspection is likely to be the next step for something like that.

    Umm, which do you mean, press further or press harder? They could point in different directions.

    How do the rotor surfaces look? Nice smooth dull matte, or mirror shiny glazed? If glazed, you have to press harder to get the same friction. 150 grit wetordry (wet) will do a nice job on glazed rotors and pads, but if you find you have to do it, your real job is to find out why they glazed so you're not back there again.

    -Chap
     
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    Sorry I am responding to this now, I for some reason didn't get an alert :(

    I am assuming the disc changer issue is just unique to the part, and would probably require physical dis assembly to figure out what the issue is?

    As for the brakes, when I press harder, I literally mean I have to press the brake pedal a bit harder for the car to slow down, versus in my other Prius where once I slowly press on the brake pedal the car starts slowing down. I will give the rotor surfaces a look though.

    As for the key fob with the unlock/lock issues, any idea on what could be the cause of the problem? Is this something only a dealer would be able to figure out?
     
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    1) invest in a digital volt meter $10. and check the fob and 12v batteries. then contact ember 'ovni'.

    2) try disconnecting the 12v for a few minutes or pull the radio fuse to see if it resets the system.

    3) prius brakes require toyota software to bleed.
     
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    If you wish to do any service work on the Prius invest about 25$ in a Mini VCI. This will give you dealer level of code reading and service capability such as programming the car to key fobs, brake bleeding, and so much more. Just reading a fault code once will make you 75$ saving on dealer diagnostics.

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    1. I do have a volt meter! I ran this test a month ago:

    It checked out exactly as it is supposed to, not sure if it can be something else?

    2. I will look into how to disconnect the 12V Battery, I am assuming this is the same battery that is behind the tail light?

    3. Prius Brakes - any idea on the cost for the "bleeding"? It also sounds like doing a Brake job by myself is complex with this car?
     
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    I have a Bluetooth OBD2 and use Torque app with all the Prius codes added onto it, is that enough? But you also mentioned that I would than get service capability like programming the key fobs, brake bleeding and what not? Just want to make sure I understand that correctly, otherwise I do have an OBD2 Bluetooth connector along with the Torque App.

    Thanks!
     
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    if there aren't any other problems, a bleed job will be around $150.
     
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    Ah. The car is currently away from me, but I will plug out the 12V battery when it is back with me again. Is the brake bleeding something I can do myself? Also, are there ways that I can find out if there are any problems?
     
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    If you have a Mini VCI, you will be able to follow the bleed procedure in the manual.

    A few posts ago, I asked you to clarify whether you needed to press the brake pedal farther or harder. You answered harder. Offhand, that doesn't suggest a bleeding issue. What's your assessment of the condition of the calipers, and the pad and rotor surfaces?

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    The Mini VCI does need a laptop to work with it "something I missed in my last post". It does give dealer level of service with the availability to read all Toyota codes (infact Toyota, Lexus, and Scion) including sub codes, pending codes, and historical codes along with information of the codes.
    It also does fob adding, and removal. Steering zero point calibration. Brake linear solenoid offset calibration. Brake bleeding with walk through. Various service modes (engine continuous running ect). Test modes. AC modes. Lock timing and function modes. Lighting time out modes. Fuel tank calibration. Seat belt, and reverse beep removal, and probably a lot more as these functions are from memory.
    So yes it is worth while.
    I do use the "torque app" good for monitoring, and it is very useful. For actual service work use the VCI.

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    WOAH, that is absolutely awesome! I do have a laptop, any tutorial and resources on using the software? Also, how much and where can I find the VCI device?
     
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    amazon, 25 bucks.
     
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    Yes you can program keys and fobs.

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    So I found this:


    I assume that is the correct product, correct? I am also assuming the software is Windows only?

    Secondly - When I reprogram the keyfobs, is it as simple as leaving the key inside the slot, and program the fob itself via the software? I was watching a video where a person does this on his Toyota Highlander.

    And lastly, lets say if I have another Prius remote, but the physical key doesn't match the car, can the key fob itself still be programmed, and instead buy the physical key elsewhere and have my normal locksmith make a copy of the key?

    This is beyond exciting stuff!
     
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    Yes that is the VCI, and the car can be programed to the fob as you describe. It is the car that is programmed. to the fob not the other way round.
    It is windows only but can work with a Mac with other programing.
    There is some confusion in programing a used fob to work with the US SKS system. It can be used to allow the engine to start, but "may" not be able to remotely open the car. There are many post here covering this see the link below
    .How to Program a New Key Fob for Full SKS Functionality

    John
     
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    Ah okay. On my 2007 Prius, I was trying to pair a non-SKS remote to the car via the Chicken method, I was only able to start the car, not remotely lock the car and turn on its alarm. But I am assuming that since one of the fob already turns on the car, I should be able to program the rest of the car to allow lock and unlock ability? I also assume since it has SKS ability, it should allow all of that functionality as well?

    Anywho, I do have a Windows laptop, and I got the VCI.