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Key fob with no key ! Help

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Main Forum' started by Chris2128, Apr 18, 2011.

  1. Chris2128

    Chris2128 New Member

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    I bought a used 2010 Prius v with ATP. It was a used car place. Salesman gave me a fob. It works. I drove back 1700 miles! What I didn't realize was that it had no metal key in it!! That's missing! I called him and be said "that's how we got the car in" . So they said they have no idea about any key.
    What are my options and cost?
     
  2. 32kcolors

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    You've had your Five with ATP for nearly a month and just realized this? The fact there's no ring on the fob (which would be on the missing metal key) to attach your other keys didn't throw you off?
     
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    I think the simplest option is to get a new key cylinder and keys. The other option is to have a locksmith create a key, but that's probably a lot more expensive. Here's an online link for a cylinder (better verify that it includes keys!) Toyota Parts Cheap.com

    Wow - $152 for the laser cut cylinder. The old fashion one on Gen2 is $61.
     
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    It should be easy enough to get a replacement metal key; not too expensive. Getting a replacement FOB is a whole new story and way too expensive!
     
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    Before you go too far into the weeds, try talking to the service folk at a nearby Toyota dealership.
     
  6. ETC(SS)

    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    Before you spend HUNDREDS at the dealer....check eBay. I've seen uncut G3 keys there, and a competent locksmith should be able to cut it....if they have the proper key code.
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/PRIUS-SMART-KEY-SMARTKEY-REMOTE-KEYLESS-ENTRY-FOB-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQfitsZYearQ3a2010Q7cModelQ3aPriusQQhashZitem25603eb2ecQQitemZ160528511724QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
    Your 2 bigger problems are that you don't have a second fob, or (probably) the little metal plate with the key code stamped on it.
    Your local dealership should be able to replace the little metal plate, or at least give you the # that's stamped on it by your vehicles' VIN.

    What I would do:
    Order a used (or new) G3 keyfob, and get a locksmith to program it for you. Despite what the dealership is going to tell you----this can be done by a locksmith with the right equipment. You may be looking at a $50-75 fee, but it will be a lot cheaper than getting the dealership to do it.
    The second thing I would do is to get Toyota to give you the key code (stamped on the little metal plate that it sounds like you didn't get.) so that you can have replacement metal keys made.

    Right now, you're driving a car that will be instantly converted into a 3100 pound lawn ornament if you lose your feyfob. You won't have to replace the ECU if this happens, but it will be an expensive lesson anyway.

    Good luck!
     
  7. 32kcolors

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    Some regions have stopped giving out the actual metal plates (too many people lose them). You only need to know the key code in order to have replacements made.
     
  8. Ct. Ken V

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    Yeah, Chris2128,

    Do what Teakwood said, call a nearby Toyota dealer to get them to order just a blank key (NOT the whole fob with the key in it---the key alone should be available without having to buy a whole expensive fob). Actually, now that I think of it, if you only got one fob, NOW would be the time to have the used car lot salesman demand the other fob (& BOTH metal keys) from the original owner (a year or a year and a half is a little soon to lose an expensive fob---not that it can't happen within that time period) & tell him it's a security issue to you because the previous owner can still gain access to your car (& drive away with it) if he didn't lose both.

    If the salesman can't get the metal key & the other fob from the previous owner, then NOW is definitely the time to go to the dealer because you need to have them do 2 things. Before YOU lose the one remaining fob, you should get a COMPLETE new one (with the metal key already in it). Even though you think that's too expensive, it will save you the cost for the dealer to "reseed" the car's computer before he can get ANY new fob to work.

    With one working fob, he can just program your car to accept a new fob from the dealer (forget e-bay fobs that WILL have to be inserted into the dash & WON'T work to open the doors. Let the dealer also know that they will also have to un-register the missing fob from the car's memory so that you won't have to worry about the previous owner driving off in your car any longer [he'll still be able to get in with the old metal key unless you get a new door lock cylinder (with 2 keys?)].

    When you go to the dealer, be sure to take along your registration/proof of ownership (so they know it's YOUR car) & they can look up your key code [for the metal one(s)] from the build sheet for your VIN number. Once they get the key code they can cut both metal ones for you [the blank by itself & the one from inside the new fob (that you definitely should buy ASAP)]. DISREGARD this paragraph IF you go with a new lock cylinder, but see if the dealer can change the key code (to match your new cylinder) in Toyota's build sheet record so that it will be correct for future reference. If they can't change it, then record the new key code somewhere safe where you won't lose it in case you ever need it sometime down the road. I hope this helps you.

    Edit : Boy, that's what I get for being a slow typer. Others get out the info faster so that I'm just usually repeating it. ETC(SS)'s advice is good , but what everybody seems to be forgetting (except for RobH) is that without changing the lock cylinder & un-registering the missing fob, the previous owner can still make off with your car if he still has the other fob & metal key(s). One extra word of caution : the e-bay keyfob ETC(SS) refers to in his post is a used one (in the condition block of the e-bay description) & because of the rolling codes most likely can't be made to work without the expensive "re-seeding" of the car's computer. The fob is NOT programmed to the car, but instead the car is programmed to accept a "new" (read that as "different" fob). Unless the fob is brand new (NEVER USED), it will likely only be a "DUMB" fob if accepted into the car's computer.

    Ken (in Bolton,Ct)
     
  9. Jabber

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    Called parts for you. Go to a local dealer. Should be around 60-70 bucks to have just the metal key replaced and cut. If you buy one outside the dealer, and someone screws it up, it will probably cost you more than the dealer made one. That happened on my Audi when I went through eBay.
     
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    You can get the security key code from your local Toyota dealer using your Vin #. The eBay keys can be cut by a locksmith having the equipment to cut high security keys, although they will need your key code. There are some trick to cutting the eBay key blanks because the end of the key is beveled more than the OEM keys. Look for an auto locksmith that knows what they are doing. If they have the Advanced Diagnostics system with the latest software, they can also reprogram your car to add previously used Fobs for your car. I had this done, after getting used Fobs for a 2010 or 2011 Prius on eBay.
     
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    I bought an extra fob and door key. the Lexus dealer actually cut the key for me while I waited (next door to Toyota dealer). Key and cutting was under $70. Elway's service dept. got me the key code from my VIN.
    Easy to do.
     
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    Just get the code from the car and order your key WITH cut for under $20...simple...

     
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    Locksmiths that specialize in automotive also replace fob emergency keys for similar money. We often will do it faster, and will have the part separately in stock.

    I also recommend when buying a used car to clear out the Fobs, and program in only the remaining one(s) and new ones.

    If car is KEY START, there is another issue. There could be clones of old keys. REPLACING THE CHIPS or Entire keys would be important on those vehicles, if the vehicle was locally sourced.
     
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    That is good info locksmithy. I am currently shopping for a backup vehicle/ camper toter and noticed the ones I looked at car lots all came with only one key. Got to wondering if they weren't holding back an extra key and fob incase someone defaulted on the note and they needed to retrieve the vehicle.