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Prius no go! No codes found.

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by pndwind, Feb 11, 2016.

  1. pndwind

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    My wife's 2005 has a Christmas tree of lights on lighting up the dash including the brake, the large triangle exclamation point, and the check engine light. The MFD says problem and has the little red car with an exclamation point on it. The car will only go in neutral and the ice will not engage. I borrowed a scanner (older Actron) from a friend and it shows no codes. I replaced the 12v battery with an Optima a couple of days ago (after having similar issues) and drove about 60 miles with no troubles. I rebuilt the traction battery back in July and have put about 10,000 miles on it. Should any OBDII scanner pull the codes? Suggestions?
     
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    You need a proper code reader that will read prius codes. Most likely problem is your traction battery has failed again
     
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    how many miles on her?

    take it to a dealer for the codes, or if you plan on diy, get mini vci and subscription to toyota tech info.

    keep in mind, rebuilding the traction battery is a tricky process, not to be taken lightly.
     
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    What kind of reader is recommended?
    187,000 miles.
     
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    Quick search in this forum ought to acquaint you with the usual suspects. :) Mini VCI is a common choice.

    -Chap
     
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    I took it to the dealership and they said I need another traction battery. The codes are P0AA6 and B2799 the tech said "Isolation Fault in Hybrid Battery". I would just like some confirmation before I tear the battery apart again.
     
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    P0AA6 means that you have a high voltage ground fault. The problem could be in the high voltage battery if you have a module leaking electrolyte for example.

    The fault also could be anywhere in the system that has contact with high voltage: high voltage battery, system main relays, cable running from the high voltage battery case to the inverter, inverter, transaxle and air conditioner compressor.
     
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    Are there any quick ways to narrow it down? I already have the car stripped down to the traction battery.
     
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    An easy way to determine whether the traction battery is the problem is to use a voltmeter. The black test lead connects to the metal battery case. The red test lead is first applied to the positive output; then to the negative output. Obviously you have the battery case cover removed so that you can measure battery voltage prior to the system main relays. If you measure voltage at either point then the battery is the cause of the high voltage ground fault.

    Should you find the battery is OK, then you will need a megohm meter so that you can test all of the components downstream from the traction battery. I suggest you subscribe to techinfo.toyota.com to obtain factory repair manual info and the exact procedures used to test, as well as safety procedures to observe.
     
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    OK. I got leaky modules. Any way to find it before tearing the pack apart?
     
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    I do not understand your question. If leaky battery modules are your problem, how does it help you to "find" them prior to opening the battery pack?

    You need to open the battery case to facilitate a visual inspection so that you can see which modules show terminal corrosion. Those modules are the most likely to be leaking. The electrolyte itself is not going to be easy to see.

    Your OP says you "rebuilt" the battery in July 2015. What did that rebuild entail?

    Since you've logged 187K miles on the battery modules, if you want to keep the car, then it is time to replace all of the modules now - unless your idea of fun and entertainment is to be regularly removing the hatch trim and opening up the traction battery case to replace yet another module or two.
     
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    The battery pack is open. What I was wondering is the most efficient way to identify the individual module or modules which are leaking. The rebuild consisted of cleaning busbars and nuts, voltage testing, load testing, replacing all bad modules (a total of 4), a charge discharge process, and equalizing of modules. By terminals do you mean the threaded module ends or the copper bus bar pieces? There is no corrosion on the threaded module ends but there is obvious discoloration on the case on one side, at the bottom of the modules.

    I guess I should say the case is open but I have not disassembled the pack.
     
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    Since the electrolyte is clear, it is not going to be easy to pin down exactly which modules are leaking. Remove the bus bars and measure voltage from each module to the battery case.

    Connect the negative voltmeter lead to the case. Use the positive voltmeter lead to measure voltage at the positive terminal of the module, then the negative terminal. Repeat this for all 28 modules.

    If you can measure voltage from a module to the case, that module is leaking electrolyte.

    The electrolyte is nasty stuff, so you do not want to get it on your skin, clothing, tools, etc.
     
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    Thanks.

    I believe I've found the one that's leaking. I am planning on unclamping the modules, replacing the leaky one, and cleaning all with white vinegar to neutralize. I can't see where this will damage anything but It never hurts to have other inputs.
     
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    We're rolling again.
    THANK YOU!













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    Please define "rebuilt the traction battery back" as you stated in the opening post.
     
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    Please see post #12.
     
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    So if I understand right...your car/battery has 187,000 miles @ 11 years, you replaced 4 cells (of what 28 each?), did all the right PFM and got 10,000 more miles. I am all about maintaining cars and some slightly bigger machines ;), but...batteries and cells do have a shelf life so to speak. While admirable...I'm afraid that throwing a few new cells into the mix with much older cells equates your fix/s to short term limited deferral/s. It won't be long before you are doing this again. Now if you are OK with tearing into the pack on a routine basis and with your presumed skill...so be it. Me...I would just replace with a new battery if I was in it for the long haul. Respects from another wrench.
     
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    No way am I putting a $4000 battery in my $3500 Prius. The car is also burning close to 2 quarts of oil between changes. She's on borrowed time. As far as doing this every so often, sometimes there isn't a choice. If the monies not there it's hard to make it appear.
     
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    If you can do what you're doing, you can replace the battery yourself, so it needn't cost $4000.

    exstudent has some good information re DIY battery replacement with a new one from Toyota.