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Climate confusion among U.S. teachers

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  1. bwilson4web

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    Source: Climate confusion among U.S. teachers | Science

    . . . We examine how this societal debate affects science classrooms and find that, whereas most U.S. science teachers include climate science in their courses, their insufficient grasp of the science may hinder effective teaching. Mirroring some actors in the societal debate over climate change, many teachers repeat scientifically unsupported claims in class. Greater attention to teachers' knowledge, but also values, is critical.

    . . . Working from a commercial database of 3.9 million teachers, we drew a stratified probability sample of 5000 names and implemented a multiple-contact paper and Web survey protocol during academic year 2014–15. We collected data from 1500 public middle- and high-school science teachers from all 50 U.S. states, representative of the population of science teachers in terms of school size, student socioeconomic status, and community economic and political characteristics. See supplemental materials (SM) for details.
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    First, teachers might experience overt pressure from parents, community leaders, or school administrators not to teach climate change. Only 4.4% of teachers reported such pressure (6.1% reported pressure to teach it, mostly from fellow teachers).
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    Second, teachers also may not be very knowledgeable about a wide range of evidence—e.g., CO2 measurements from ice cores and from direct measures at Mauna Loa—and how climate models work. Given the relative novelty of the topic in classrooms, instructional materials, and preservice training, this would not be surprising,
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    Third, many teachers are unaware of the extent of scientific agreement. This is critical because we might expect that, with limited technical mastery, teachers may defer to scientific expertise. Yet, when asked “what proportion of climate scientists think that global warming is caused mostly by human activities?”—only 30% of middle-school and 45% of high-school science teachers selected the correct option of “81 to 100%.”
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    It may be interesting to replicate their survey with the PriusChat community. However, most here are not that shy.

    Bob Wilson


     
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    let's face it, this subject is too complicated for most high school science teachers, and their students.
     
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    Funnily enough, my self-studies have provided technical details but not changed the broad sweep of what I knew before. Of course my understanding dates from the 1960s and the earliest Venus missions. My studies have in effect added precision to my earlier understanding and more technical details.

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    bob, i think you underestimate yourself. we're not all engineers. you can try to give a broad overview to high schoolers, but most teachers would need a prepared text book, (let's not get into that controversy) and interested students could follow up from there.
    but if you're expecting people to understand the science so they will affect political decisions, i think you're better off with just the ideology.
     
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    I did a climate change (AGW) paper in HS in around 1971. Still have it. But that was before it was politicized as it is now. I do not really want to address the topic because my feelings are we try too hard to teach our kids who the good guys and bad guys are to suit our own politics. Poor kids.
     
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    good point. plus, who knows if what is being taught are actual data, or something twisted to fit someone's viewpoint?
     
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    Bob I tried to read that giberish article. Let's look at some better ones.
    huh. Is that true that more than 95% of active climate scientist attribute all global warming to human causes? Almost certainly not. I added the implied all because the author seems to use it as if that is the scientific consensus, and that only climate scietists (ill definied in both papers referenced) get to decide. I would further say both papers seemed to fail on peer review. The cook paper especially tried to extrapulate scientis from papers, and included all papers that outright did not reject the idea that humans may have had some influence. Many of those scietists that authored the papers have come forward and said that cook mininterpreted a paper on a narrow area to imply the authos opinion in agreement with statements they didsagree with. Cook is ofcourse a blogger that wrote a paper. Peer review alwasys should be considered, even though some climate scientists belive people with credentials much better than cook's should not be able to review their papers.

    Big Gap between What Scientists Say and Americans Think about Climate Change - Scientific American
    OK so now we have an explanation, which although I don't get warm fuzzies about, but at least was done as a poll instead of some devining by reading papers, with no follow up, in fact beligerant rejection of actually getting the scientist opinions.

    Here we get 50% of the general population agree with the statement that recent climate change is due to human activities versus 87% of scientists. I know I know but that newer paper using older papers using bad methods said over 95%, why did pew say 87%. Here the politians around climate change will argue that only those bloggers consider climate scientis should get to vote, and their votes have to come in the form of publishing papers, more paperas the more votes and the papers not the opinion of the scientist are important. Oh bother, that would be a good discussion for a science class and how that is invalidated by scientific method.

    MOre troubling is animal research, gmo foods, and pesticides show even a bigger disparaty between lay people and scientists. I'm all for raising the flag that science education is poor in the US. educational materials could be better, but we are not teaching students to be scientists and think for themselves.
     
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    What I found interesting is:

    POLITICS AND IDENTITY THREAT.

    Content knowledge is not the only area in need of attention. Rejection of sound scientific conclusions is often rooted in value commitments rather than ignorance (16), and science teachers are not immune from this tendency.

    A question measuring political ideology was a more powerful predictor of teachers’ classroom approach than any measure of
    education or content knowledge, with those leaning toward “It’s not the government’s business to protect people from themselves” most willing to teach “both sides” (table S8). Our data suggest that, especially for political or cultural conservatives, simply offering teachers more traditional science education may not lead to better classroom practice.. . .

    We been discussing climate change or global warming or hockey sticks here for some time and what holds with teachers applies to our own discussions. So it was and remains easy for me to put @mojo on my ignore list because empirical data has no effect. Worse, @mojo simply posts more noise copied and pasted from other sources. Noise that @mojo is incapable of defending. So I've turned up the squelch and moved on to interesting areas.

    As for others, to the degree they bring useful, empirical data, good on them and I'll read their posts . . . even if sprinkled with "giberish." It is easy enough to filter out the nonsense as long as there is the occasional acorn. <grins>

    This article focuses on K-12 teachers and their resources. Thinking back to my days, I remember really learning from the books and the instructors were useful for answering questions and pacing the materials. The tests, quizzes, and homework were more evidence of progress through the book(s) than anything else. So there were some good, bad, and ugly teachers and gosh darn, they put their clothes on one leg at a time too.

    So I'm not so interested in trying to make schools into "indoctrination" centers although many try that including the Texas school book board. As long as the kids learn to read and have a library or "Mr Google," they will be fine.

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    My leaning is rather like the end of #7, though that was not (intended to be?) a complete list. There are many substantial environmental issues, not all are strongly connected to CO2 vs. climate.

    In terms of scientific fundamentals, I suppose public education could do better. In terms of critical reasoning skills, are there no non-politically charged issues to examine?

    My optimistic stance, not shared by all, is that climate change has a good chance of not biting too hard in current humans' lifetimes. If it does it will probably be by way of food supply.

    This turns my attention to genetics, which (in education) is mucked up by anti-evolution. Sorry about that but it is how I feel. The way that DNA stays the same, or changes, and (after a few more steps) gives you one species or another is what this century is going to be all about. The toolbox (both in terms of observation and manipulation) has vastly changed in recent decades. So I'd like education to get a better grip on that.
     
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    the problem is, as a species, we're more concerned with fixing peolems than preventing them. it's much easier to agree, when you're dying, then when you're healthy.