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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Juanuchis, Feb 7, 2016.

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  1. Juanuchis

    Juanuchis Fanny Foamer

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    Got the car away from the dealer and over to my mechanic. New 12v in, but the P3190 still come up after clearing the codes. I found the thread GEN II P3190 DTC Engine Stalling, No start. PLEASE HELP... and passed this info to my mechanic. What I find odd is that that the car broke down within minutes of leaving the oil change place.
     
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    Does the car start up?
     
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    Did you check the oil yourself? Did you see oil on the dipstick, or are you trusting the oil change person? Call me suspicious, but why would they "change the oil again?"
     
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    I agree with Andrew. This sounds like they may have drained the oil and forgot to refill it. You drove off with no oil and that's when your problems started. They ruined the engine.
     
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  5. Juanuchis

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    It starts and runs for about 10 seconds, then quits with the triangle, like in the thread I mentioned. No, they indeed filled it, I was sitting there while they did it (one of those drive-through places). I called Eric, who thought that they overfilled it. My mechanic just said it was a tad over full on the dipstick, so he's going to call Eric himself.
     
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    The thing that you think is starting and running for about ten seconds is the engine not starting at all. MG1 will turn the engine for ten seconds at a time to try to start it. If it doesn't start, it will stop after ten seconds. This is to prevent your car from draining the HV Battery. You need to figure out why the engine isn't starting and limit all attempts to start it. Otherwise you will end up with a dead HV Battery that will need to be grid charged. Not a good or fun thing and expensive.
     
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  7. Juanuchis

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    Thanks, Navy. I had already told my mechanic to limit trying to start it.
     
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    Scratch that. Too late. Battery is dead. Here's hoping the dealer can charge it.

    I suspect I will be car shopping this weekend. :(
     
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    I talked with your mechanic today.
    Offered any assistance he may need.
    Does sound like it was slightly overfilled with oil.

    Again, I doubt this car really has much of an issue.
    I could be wrong, but my gut is that with a few simple things and it would be back purring along just fine.

    Recharging the high voltage battery isn't hard if you have the equipment.
    The problem is that almost noone has it handy.
    And they make such a big deal out of getting it they want to charge an arm and a leg for the service.
    I can talk through some other options for that.

    If you are dead set on getting rid of the car, I understand.

    But if it is a car you like, it seems a shame to throw in the towel.

    Overfilling oil and then having a p3190 is very common.
    So common that I just had another example of it in my shop this afternoon.

    Here is a writeup from another trusted independent hybrid mechanic, Paul, of Boulder hybrids....
    I saw similar symptoms recently as well on a 2005 Prius. Customer had some "oil monkeys" change their oil rather than a knowledgable Prius shop. Oil was filled about 3/8"-1/2" inch ABOVE the full dot.

    Car coded almost immediately on the drive home.
    Codes were P0A0F/204, P3190, P3102, C1259, and C1310

    If you tried to start car, it would go READY then ICE would "run" for about 5 seconds then engine would die and READY would go off.

    Trying to clear the codes with Techstream they would come right back. Disconnecting 12V battery wouldn't help either.

    Here's what I did;
    Drained out some engine oil so level just under full dot.

    Removed air filter/MAF box (10mm socket), unbolted throttle body from intake (use 12mm socket), (unhook electrical connectors and PVC hoses but not coolant lines). Move throttle body aside. Cleaned intake and throttle body with throttle body cleaner and blue shoppaper towels.

    Sprayed MAF cleaner all over the MAF sensor then let dry in the sun.

    Replaced throttle body gasket 22271-21030 and torqued to 15 ft/pounds

    Reinstalled airbox, checked wires/hoses and car started right up and continued to run normally....then cleared codes and now they stayed away.

    Funny how the repair manual says the solution for P0A0F/204 is to replace the engine ECU....$$$$......glad to hear the Austin dealer knows there stuff...
    (from this threa Oil overfill caused complete shutdown | Page 2 | PriusChat)​
     
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  10. Juanuchis

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    Hi Eric,

    Thanks so much for speaking with Mike today. Before the battery died he did drain the oil and clean, and refilled the oil, and when he attempted to start the car, at least the Triangle of Death was gone, but then he got the battery failure. I hope the dealer has a charger.

    I'm not dead set on getting rid of the car - she's been a very good, reliable bluebird, and with these Arctic Claw snow tires Mike sold me last year, has scampered right through snow. I love the ol' gal, and I don't love the idea of another car payment.

    If/when we get her going again, and everything points to the overfilled oil, I will give the Quick Slick the opportunity to make things right for me. Pissing into the wind, perhaps, but I will try.

    In the meantime, I'll print out your comment and drop it off for him.

    Stay tuned.
     
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    So since Navy's advice came too late for me to prevent the HV battery from going flat, and my mechanic didn't have a chance to call the dealership today, do any of you have an inkling as to roughly how much an HV battery recharge will cost? Being in central WV, I'm not hopeful that my local dealership has the charging unit. Were I in a more metropolitan area I wouldn't be as concerned. But if recharging becomes an issue (i.e. tow to a distant location, and cost of the charge itself), maybe I should find a wrecked Prius with an intact HV battery? I'm just trying to think of various possibilities, the least appealing of which is having the dead hulk towed to my house and selling it to someone who wants a project, and buying a new car.

    At this rate, thanks to you folks and other research, when it's all said and done I'm going to tell my dealer that it's a damn shame that I now know more about the second gen Prius hybrid system than their "certified" mechanics. :mad:
     
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  12. JimN

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    It doesn't matter where you are. There aren't many chargers and a dealer isn't going to buy just on the remote chance it will be used. If you commit to the service it will be shipped to the dealer.
     
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    There are some dealers out there who refuse to charge up the hybrid battery.
    The only solution they offer is replacement. Sheesh!

    As JimN noted, often there is a charger regionally and they either have it shipped or go pick it up. And guess who pays for that shipping/travel time? You!

    The dealer will charge as much as they can.
    Might be $300, $400, $500 or more.
    They figure you are kind of stuck, so that puts you in a poor bargaining position.

    At that price you could buy your own charger and install it. $450 or so)

    If your independent mechanic is savvy and has another Prius handy, he may be able to get your Prius battery up and running without a special charger. Not a great thing for a rookie to try, but sometimes you have to MacGyver a solution if you don't have the tools.
     
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