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should i crimp and splice?

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by CollinPark, Sep 3, 2015.

  1. CollinPark

    CollinPark Junior Member

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    been loving our new-used '13 prius
    until our puppy got under the seat and chewed through the airbag wires under the passenger seat...
    2-3 of the wires are completely separated, airbag sign is lit up (red, on the right of the hybrid indicator). I've read that it'll cost something like 2000 - 7000 to get it completely redone at a toyota service center

    so,
    I'm thinking of splicing and crimping the wires and using some heat shrink insulation.

    here are my proposed steps:
    1. disconnect hybrid batt
    2. disconnect 12v batt
    3. unplug the cables from under the seat
    4. remove the seat
    5. expose the wires from the same housing, slip on heat shrink tube, crimp wires, heat the tube
    6. repeat 5 for all the torn wires
    7. re-install seat
    8. plug in the cable under the seat
    9. connect 12v batt
    10. connect hybrid batt

    does my procedure check out?
    anyone have any information on what gauge wires are under there?
    has anyone done this before?
    I'm a little paranoid that the airbags will deploy, how do they work in relation to the seat sensor?
     
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    Soldering would be better than using crimp connectors. Twist exposed conductors/wires together, solder, heatshrink insulation around repair.
     
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    If practical I'd solder, then shrink tube.
     
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    #1 & #10 shouldn't be necessary, since that battery is automatically disconnected when the power switch is off. #2 & #9 probably aren't critical either, but do NOT try to drive the car part-way through the project. Otherwise, looks good to me.
     
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    #2 and #9 are critical, at least if you go by Toyota's warnings re: working on the SRS. Also a delay of at least a couple minutes after #2 for any stored energy in the SRS controllers capacitors to bleed off. Perhaps Toyota is hypercautious with their advice, but I'd go with it.

    The airbag squib connector under the seat is supposed to have a little shorting spring in it; once you unplug the cable, the squib terminals should be safely shorted together and it won't be likely to deploy while you're taking out the seat. If you check the manual it may have more specific suggestions.

    You mentioned more wires than I thought there were for a seat airbag, so I wonder if the puppy didn't only chew on bright-yellow airbag wires, but also some of the wires for the occupancy sensor in the seat. Naturally you'll be fixing those too....

    I don't have a 2013 so I can't be sure on the details, but modern seat occupancy sensors are very sensitive things in late model cars (not the old more-or-less on/off switch saying 'yes, there's something in the seat'). Newer ones measure the weight and spacing of your sit bones so the airbag computer adjusts to your size, gender (!), and whether you are sitting forward or back in the seat.

    They also can have a somewhat elaborate recalibration dance to go through if you have had the seat out and maybe changed the wiring resistance, and you'll have done both. Probably worth checking that in the manual too. Maybe someone who's been there will chime in.

    -Chap
     
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    Would your insurance cover this under comprehensive? If so, I would suggest a dealer repair.
    Officially, Toyota does not condone any wire repair on the SRS system, only replacement of the affected harness or component.
     
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    IMkenNY Im just being nosy

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    I wouldn't hesitate to solder and shrink wrap these severed wires after disconnecting the 12v battery.
    Avoid using the new bacon and milk bone flavored shrink wraps :)
     
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    ^ It took me SO long to get that, need coffee. :)
     
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    to update,
    I ended up doing the whole procedure, but the SRS code couldn't be cleared by using the paperclip method,
    took it to a dealer A and they said my fix didn't work and that they'd replace the whole harness for 900$+ tax
    took it to another dealer, explained the situation, they cleared the code and told me my fix had worked.
    I have hidden the wires on both passenger and drivers seats with a lot of plastic bags, the dog will not get to it again

    tl;dr soldering worked like a charm
    also, thanks for the comments
     
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    The procedure approved is to strip the wires and twist them around eachother for maximum contact. Have the shrink tube already on one wire.

    SUPPLEMENTAL RESTRAINT SYSTEM WIRING REPAIRS

    This recommended procedure involves crimping the wires together with a splice band, soldering the crimped connection and, finally, sealing and protecting the repair. The crimp and solder ensure a strong mechanical bond that will always pass a pull test while also maintaining the conductivity and current carrying capacity of the circuit. The adhesive sealant and heat shrink tubing ensures the splice repair will perform as well or better than the original wire and be safe from potential corrosion or short circuits.

    There is no limit to the number of splice repairs that can be made in one harness using this procedure. However, as has been past practice, multiple adjacent splices should be offset from each other. This wiring splice repair procedure is approved for harness side repairs only. Repairs and splices to pigtail wires on SRS components such as airbag units, seat belt tensioner units or clocksprings are not approved or recommended.
     
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    oh right, thank you Dion
    I elected not to crimp the wires because the resistance of the circuit can change depending on the resistance of the splice band (i also did not have the proper tools to crimp).

    instead i ended up stripping, twisting and then soldering at the junction and then heat shrink tubing and then electrical taping. to prevent mechanical tension on the shorter wires I also folded the wire bunch and cable tied it. Made sure to use silver alloy electrical solder just in case because the higher resistance takes effect of the system in series and silver is super low resistance.

    I didn't have the tools to take out the seat either so I just went in with my camping flashlight headband and worked with the seat in there, surprisingly very little room down there but it took about 1 hour of tedious work.

    also remember that the SRS code doesn't clear on its own, and you need a SRS reader tool to clear codes (around 200$), an honest dealer will clear it for you for free/diagnosis fee. There is an option to try to clear the SRS code by shorting the connection 4 and 13 on the ecu connector (the place where you plug in your obd II reader) and shorting it rapidly/pressing the brake pedal 8 times within 3 seconds of ready mode - but I never could get that to work. SRS codes are saved on the non-volatile chip in the computer and it has to be manually cleared, resetting the charge of the car will not reset the codes.

    message me if you have any questions
     
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    A "Proper" splice works as good as "Proper" solder for this system. When you deal with a capacitance circuit though...neither is good.
     
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    Insulated butt spilce . sold at auto parts store
     
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    The message for the main part was from an official write up from MOPAR about splicing SRS wires especially. As for your repair you did grand. The deal with crimps is not so much the resistance the wire to barrel connector will make but as to the difference in material the wire and the barrel are made of. Most of the time it doesn't matter but in this case the SRS is a very important function and every repair must meet a very high execution of repair by the technician. The matter of the crimp is that because of the dissimilar content of metals you can start to get Galvanic corrosion.

    Galvanic corrosion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    And that changes the resitance of the wires in the connection. As a technician you are made AWARE of this as the repair although works now starts to corrode after you finish. When will it compromise the SRS? I do not know..but it does... So sometime in the far future a wire repaired in this way may compromise the safety of the airbag when encountering an accident. Thats why some dealerships want to replace the whole loom for liability reasons and of course revenue...But in this case you did the right thing and can sleep tight!
     
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    I prefer environmental splices for a repairs like this...specifically Raychems. Call it the "coffee factor".
     
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    Great job on ur fix.

    How the 1st dealer just shows that u can never trust most Stealerships


    iPhone ?
     
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    ...or the lawyers that tie the mechanic's hands.